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To: tero kuittinen who wrote (11167)6/5/1998 10:55:00 AM
From: DaveMG  Respond to of 152472
 
Tero,
I think 1/1/2000 would be a better date to base the race on, at least fairer to QC.Ipredict that QC will at leasst double by then and that Nokia will not, and that in any case in this 1 1/2 yr time frame QC will outperform both Ericy and Nokia....Dave



To: tero kuittinen who wrote (11167)6/5/1998 11:54:00 AM
From: Gregg Powers  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 152472
 
Tero:

An excellent and worthy post!

First, given Qualcomm's $3 billion revenue run-rate, it is no longer a small company. If I have the conversion to Finnish Markka correct, QC is currently the same size as Nokia back in 1993 (but is growing more rapidly).

Your suggestion of megalomania would be accurate if your characterization of Qualcomm's actions were accurate. Unfortunately, you are largely incorrect. After developing the fundamental IPR for CDMA (IS-95), Qualcomm licensed its technology broadly (to over fifty companies including, as you well know, Lucent, Motorola, Alcatel, NEC etc.). The strategic position that it was better to have a small marketshare of a large market rather than owning 100% of a stillborn standard is precisely why IS-95 has come to dominate North America and has been adopted in over thirty countries worldwide.

Qualcomm's joint venture with Sony (QPE) was created specifically to address the challenges of high volume consumer electronics. Yes, there have been problems, but you seem to think that Ericsson or Nokia are somehow perfect. You are incorrect. The Nokia 2180 CDMA handset suffered from terrible software problems when it was first introduced--to such an extent that Airtouch pulled the product until Nokia got it right. Knowing this, I still have never suggested that Nokia is anything other than an excellent company--because I understand that start-up problems are the rule rather than the exception. I would however point out that Nokia's problem was technical (i.e. software implementation) while the QCP problem was mechanical (i.e. an out-of-tolerance part from a vendor). While neither is acceptable, Nokia's problem was more intractable and illustrative of a core engineering issue. Qualcomm's phones, from an audio and RF engineering standpoint, have been uniformly excellent. Mechanical problems, although painful, are fairly straightforward to resolve.

You claim that QC's performance over the last ten months has been poor. This is a highly revisionist view of the world. The company's performance in the September and December quarters of 1997 was excellent. Are you suggesting that QC management is responsible for the Asian crisis?

I don't know what you have read, but I speak regularly to people at Bell Atlantic, Airtouch, Ameritech, Sprint and PrimeCo and NOBODY has suggested that there are ANY systemic quality problems with the Qualcomm phones. All claimed to be very impressed with the company's responsive reaction to the QCP problem and many suggested that the company had gone far beyond what was necessary.

As for QC's pricing being widely derided, I presume you mean that Motorola complained that the ASIC's were too expensive? Well, with 20-20 hindsight, it would appear that QC's handsets were a terrific bargain given MOT's inability to ship a commercial product in their absence. Moreover, on MOT's conference call today, Chris Galvin indicated that MOT was now willing to purchase QC ASICs in the future to accelerate its rollout of CDMA handsets. Seems you are attempting to blame Qualcomm for Motorola's strategic mistakes.

You attempt to turn the whole standards debate into a "chip rate" issue, and dismiss the question by suggesting that I am simply "buying Qualcomm's line". Sorry to disabuse you of the notion, but I have spoken to a multitude of system operators plus engineers at Lucent and Hughes. Everyone basically says the same thing--which coincidentally(?) foots to Qualcomm's position. Tero...I suggest you try to get some direct insight into the chip issue..it would make the debate more interesting as opposed to your attempt to simply mock and trivialize my conclusions.

As for the whole management credibility issue, I am amazed by your blindspot here. Yesterday Motorola announced, two months into its quarter, that financial results for the current quarter would be well below Street expectations (and that it would be taking a $2bb restructuring charge). This is the third quarter in a row that Motorola has "preannounced" a reduction in guidance two-thirds through a quarter..yet nobody seems to be calling Chris Galvin a congenital liar. Both Ericsson and Nokia have, in their history, preannounced quarterly shortfalls, yet their managements' remain well regarded. What is it about Qualcomm's actions that you find so odious? What basis do you have for your claim that their actions were amateurish? As soon as the company's information changed, as soon as Hansol canceled its order and Samsung rescheduled, Irwin called a conference call and told investors. Coming on the heels of a positive conference call, this turnabout required much courage and integrity. Management could have waited a couple of months, and then done a Motorola-style preannouncement, but such was unacceptable to Irwin. He told us the truth as soon as circumstances changed and for this you attempt to vilify him. Go figure. And, by the way, I absolutely believe that Irwin tells me whatever up to the point of making me a corporate insider. I have an enormous amount of history with this man--through good times and bad--and I have never, I repeat, NEVER felt that he has misled me. And, if you believe me about anything, please believe me about this--there is nothing that I track more objectively and more fastidiously. At the end of the day, I don't have to own $200mm+ worth of Qualcomm stock. My firm has a nice, albeit unspectacular, return to date and there is no reason why I couldn't simply liquidate the position and move on, dignity intact. My perseverance is based on the emphatic believe that perceptions such as yours are incorrect.

I have tried repeatedly to explain the many moving parts that influence Qualcomm's business model. I have tried to point out that the Asian crisis is a mixed bag. There are, for example, two equations to Qualcomm's Korean business--ASICs consumed, and royalties paid, for handsets sold domestically to Koreans and ASICs consumed, and royalties paid, for handsets that are exported. Last I counted, there quite a few more (in aggregate) Americans and Canadians et cetera then Koreans. Why do you assume that Qualcomm's business will, in perpetuity, remain dependent on Korea and subject to the adverse vicissitudes of Asia?

Tero, I would prefer nothing more than to engage you in a high-level, even-handed, point-by-point debate that eschews name calling and other indignities. As I have said before, I think you are quite intelligent and a contrarian viewpoint is always valuable. However, much like Bill Frezza, your posts vary widely in intellectual content. Sometimes, you are thoughtful and concise and other times you simply proffer wild bearish opinions that appear unsupported. Without trying to sound sanctimonious, I would point out that many people read these electronic missives and we have an obligation to the truth. In this regard, I am proud of my trackrecord from the Frezza days to the present. I hope you can always say the same.

Best regards,

Gregg



To: tero kuittinen who wrote (11167)6/5/1998 12:06:00 PM
From: dougjn  Respond to of 152472
 
Tero: <<but if you claim that it is perfectly normal for a small company like Qualcomm to be simultaneously building up a complete line of mobile phone products from scratch, selling infrastructure equipment based on a novel standard, building itself a global brand, acting as an operator, developing a new 3G standard and involving the rest of the world's telecom companies in complex litigation, you're totally out on a limb. >>

What a European perspective!! It's perfectly normal over here mate.

We have a long tradition of little companies inventing great new technology, taking on the big boys, and winning. I know you Europeans expect most anything good to come from one of your giants, with a century old pedigree (or more). We don't, not necessarily. Of course most of the little ones fail, and others get absorbed into larger enterprises. But some become world beaters.

You know, like Microsoft and Intel. Or Tellabs. More recently Ciena (which just agreed to merge with Tellabs.) As you have to be aware, I could go on and on.

Qualcomm has a GREAT business plan in my opinion. They have a world beating mobile phone technology which is very well protected by thicket after thicket of patents. They are licensing it at reasonable rates to all comers to get it widely adopted. They are leveraging that royalty income (as well as some older cash cows that helped fund the earlier research as well -- Omnitracs) into thrusts into infrastructure and handset manufacturing. They sought a partership for the latter (Sony), rather than trying to do it all themselves. And they are opportunistically partnering with local companies in bidding for mobile phone operating licenses where they think it will help their CDMA infrastructure business, as well as provide future big operating profits.

If they weren't masters of a very powerful new technology, with some real early curve advantages in implementing that technology which that bestows, all of this would not be possible. As it is, there are still major hurdles, or inflection points if you will, to be surmounted.

It is not yet proven that Qualcomm can become a world class telecom equipment manufacturer. But they have made an awfully good start, considering. Do they have the momentum in handsets that a Nokia does today? No. Do they have a good shot at it, given all the hurdles this little company has brilliantly leaped to date? You bet they do.

And if they do, we're talking huge returns. Yes its high risk. But the risk reward is attractive. Very.

Doug



To: tero kuittinen who wrote (11167)6/9/1998 3:59:00 PM
From: Maurice Winn  Read Replies (5) | Respond to of 152472
 
Tero, there seems to be a lot of crap flying around and I'm getting brassed off! We have this DeepMargin looney, [I know this is unlike me to use such language, but I had an 84 yesterday at golf in the rain which equals my best round ever so I think I'm King Kong and feeling belligerent], who has been straightened up, fairly politely, by Gregg and John. I'd just add that if his name bears any relationship to his investment [or more likely gambling] processes, he doesn't have any business making erroneous comments on Irwin Jacobs and Qualcomm's method of reporting their results. There was nothing wrong with the quarterly report or the results.

I'm addressing this to you because Nokia, which I've previously admired, though not knowing too much about them, is reported thus:

"According to one Nokia official, the problem was a basic difference between the GSM culture of open standards on the one hand, and the total control exercised by QualComm on cdmaOne for reasons of IPR income on the other.

"It's volumes we're interested in," the official said. "We don't make money out of IPR and we don't expect to. We make it out of selling products."

So this turkey from Nokia is saying I can use all the GSM IPR at no charge, build some handsets, sell them, along with my infrastructure, in Europe. That's the implication of what he is saying. I don't believe him. He is a lying crook. Typical of the worst of the Ericsson days when cdmaOne couldn't work, etc etc ad nauseum. That means Nokia is happy for him to spout such nonsense. That means Nokia is a hunk of junk and can go to hell! To use more temperate language.

He then confirms his moronic status by saying that IPR should not be sold. So does he propose to post Qualcomm all Nokia patents and say, "Here, help yourself. No charge. All for the greater good of humankind"? Of course not. He is a fake and a crook. Aiming to steal property like any common bandit, covering his theft with a fig-leaf. If he wants something, he can ask the supplier the price then decide whether he wishes to pay that price. They might have a discussion to seek agreement on a lower price.

So you can cancel my admiring comments about Nokia. They are now in the Ericsson scumbag camp. I retain admiration for the designers of the handsets. Anyway, what was this official's name so we can know the exact person to hold in contempt. Hopefully the item was a fake - can you confirm it was a fake and restore my enjoyment of Nokia as a successful, admirable company from a small independent country?

The Ben D Hover article was obviously a fake, with references to daughters, chats in the pub etc and if not a fake then such a joke that it could happily be ignored. Good spotting of the "bendover" name by Martin Hussey!

We also have the Koreans climbing on the bandwagon saying Qualcomm would be in big trouble without them. True enough, cdmaOne would be at a much lower level. But it isn't. And they can't rewind the clock. Qualcomm has got them. So, would they like to have a refund for their cdmaOne licences and stop producing handsets and infrastructure? That would be a generous offer by Qualcomm. Or are they like Nokia talking a pack of rot. Some of the Koreans were also whining about the p---- of the IPR, saying how it was crushing cdmaOne. Oh yes? How come cmdaOne has enjoyed the fastest growth of any cellular system? With acceleration about to accelerate.

They should hand back the licences and get on with W-CDMA-VW. I'm sure they'll all be able to make it work in about 5 years without infringing Qualcomm's IPR. Interdigital has been working on it since 1991 or so. Lately with Siemens and others helping. It must be ready to go almost.

And Tero, yes, it is completely normal to build the various components of a system from scratch - especially for such a simple one as a few computers [=infrastructure] and handsets [=terminals]. That is not really a huge deal. In fact they have so much energy and brainpower left over that to stave off boredom and help use the free cash flow they are launching the first cdma mobile phone system into space, creating the world's email system, with PureVoice[TM], designing cdma2000 Anita[TM] terminals to replace the desk clunkers by Wintel and having a nice time to boot. Where advantageous, they co-operate with others such as Sony in QPE, they sell licences to ensure customer choice and innovation at a great rate, they buy things from others [unfortunately including some rotten contacts under keypads] etc etc.

So, to summarize, the USA should stop frigging [technical term ex SurferM] around with free trade rules introduced by NZ, threatening us with sanctions or some crap because we allow any legitimate person to import IPR paid legal items and sell it at market prices, and start defending Qualcomm against the depredations of the Statist Thieving Thugs from Europe.

So get stuffed Nokia. Bite your bum Ericsson. SK Telecom, get a life or hand back the licences [for full refund with interest]. NTT, start acting civilized and get Japan on the rails again. Anyone doesn't like it or steals IPR from Qualcomm, get ready to have your property in the USA confiscated, sanctions to your country applied by USA, or simply bombed by all those nukes if necessary. Any people who buy the stolen IPR in the way of infrastructure better expect their USA property to also be confiscated.

In case anyone hasn't noticed, the USA dollar is riding high. That is because despite Janet Reno's best efforts, it is still the best country the world has ever seen in many respects. People are hiding from the looneys around the world in the USA currency and economic system.

Okay, that should do for now.

There are so many bandits and crooks in the world it's hard to keep track of them. Don't forget the bloody French [my Grandma excluded!]
Okay, off to have a chat with the local Auckland City Council over a few things...

Mqurice

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To: tero kuittinen who wrote (11167)6/9/1998 9:41:00 PM
From: Quincy  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 152472
 
From the Yahoo Qcom message board.

http://www/cdma/tech/3g_5points.shtml