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To: Sidney Reilly who wrote (17084)6/6/1998 12:29:00 AM
From: Grainne  Respond to of 39621
 
Bob, thank you for the good wishes, but I feel no need to be saved. Part of my personal belief system is that people are born with everything they need to be fully human, and have good lives. As I have said before, I think you are sincere about your "new world order" ideas. I just think you have been terribly brainwashed by very, very evil influences, and I am concerned for you.

I was not familiar with Helena Blavatsky or the Theosophical Society before you wrote about them. What I was able to find out sounds pretty harmless. She died in 1891, and so it would have been impossible for her to be very influential over Hitler. There is an active Theosophical Society in America. Maybe someone else here is more familiar with her and her ideas.

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I would agree that Hitler and his followers dabbled in the occult, as some evil people do. However, a belief in the power of the occult is simply the negative side of Christianity, and in fact one of the theories of how Hitler became aware of swastikas is that there was one at the St. Benedictin abbey he studied at:

Though the Krohn and Haushofer connections are the most widely accepted theories, other authors
[1] believe that Hitler's first contact with the swastika began a long time before, while he was a young
student with the Benedictins at the Abbey of Lambach-am-Traum, in upper Austria. [2] At Lambach
Hitler saw the swastika engraved on the four corners of the monastery, where it had been sculpted
several years before following orders of the abbot, Theodorich Hagen.

A most erudite ecclesiastic, Father Hagen had a fair knowledge of astrology and of the occult
sciences. He was also an specialist on the Apocalyse of Saint John.

In 1856 Father Hagen made a long trip to the Near East visitting, among other places, Persia,
Arabia, Turkey, and the Caucasus. Upon his return to Lambach in
1868 he immediately hired workers and cabinet makers, whom he
ordered to sculpt the swastika (on stone and wood) on the four
corners of the building, and even on some religious objects. [3] One
of the swastikas at Lambach is depicted on the illustration on the left.

When young Adolf Hitler became a student at Lambach Father
Hagen had already died, but the swastikas he ordered to carve were
still there.

While Hitler was a student at the abbey, an enigmatic Cistercian
monk named Adolf Joseph Lanz [4] made a stay at Lambach. He
stayed for several weeks, shut up in the monastery, thoroughly
researching and studying Father Hagen's personal papers. The
monks affirm that during his misterious research he evidenced the
signs of great agitation, like of a person who had made a great discovery.

After his visit to Abbey, Lanz returned to Vienna, where the following year (1900) he founded
the Order of the New Templars. [5]

There are about ten separate concepts of the meaning of the swastika to the Nazis, and they are contradictory. Another one is that it was an old, powerful symbol of anti-Semitism. On the other hand, the swastika has been for centuries a symbol of peace, laughter, joy and good luck. It is one of the oldest symbols of mankind. I will give you the url for the long essay I just read about the Nazi swastika, but in case you do not read it, you should know that it is a very powerful symbol for good in many cultures, including the Irish. I have a St. Brigid's cross, which is also a swastika, hanging on the wall just to the left of my computer. Within my line of sight I also have a Thai goddess, a goddess figure holding a fish, a candle holder of a witch stirring a cauldron, and a buffalo skull from the Battle of Little Bighorn, painted by the Indians with a red circle in the center of its forehead for good luck in battle against Custer. There is a Bible in the bookcase behind me. I am not afraid of symbols. Hitler made the swastika evil, and that is regrettable. But Hitler was anti-Semitic because Europe was that way, and Europe was that way because of their Christian religious teachings. Europe was almost entirely Christian as World War II occcurred. I would agree that Hitler was twisted, but blaming anti-Semitism on the occult is simply inaccurate and illogical.

Here is the table of contents for the complete essay on swastikas and the Nazis, if anyone cares to read it. I thought it was fascinating:

intelinet.org