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To: Sidney Reilly who wrote (17089)	6/5/1998 8:10:00 PM
From: Father Terrence	Respond to of 39621

Bob, Let me clue you in on something: God and Satan are two sides to the same coin. Furthermore, all organized religions are cults -- they all started out as cults and just grew big enough and have been around long enough to be accepted as part of the culture. Apostolics are still thought by some to be a cult, Mormons certainly were until about the middle of this century. Christians were a cult to the ancient Romans. Father Terrence

To: Sidney Reilly who wrote (17089)	6/6/1998 1:22:00 AM
From: Grainne	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 39621

Well, Bob, I finally found some web pages that start to make sense of your "new world order" and are not exactly from the militia people. However, it seems to me like someone who is afraid of George Bush and Shirley MacLaine should maybe reorganize their priorities. I would agree that some of the New Agers are quite silly. I have never believed in channeling myself, or the spectacle of Caucasians adapting wholeheartedly American Indian religions, not only because it bothers the Indians, but because it seems like just a vast cross-cultural searching to fill inner emptiness. However, I certainly do not think people who do these things are harmful, or evil. Maybe they never were Christian, or did not find the answers they wanted in Christianity. I do see how it threatens the continued growth and survival of Christianity to some small degree, but it seems to me that is not a very good motivation for villifying organizations like the Sierra Club, Greenpeace and Montessori schools. It is really hard to see any conspiracy in such a vast and decidedly undisciplined group of people. And the web page I found talks of shamen and other new age spiritual leaders as necessarily evil and Satanic because they are not following Christ. That is very typical of what Christians have thought almost forever, but the motivation seems to be lack of understanding of nature religions, and fear of losing church members. Some of the organizations on the list are just laughable as centers for evil. For example, Waldorf Schools are one of the most nurturing and educationally stimulating environments ever devised for children. They do not teach Christianity, and believe that children should all grow up to know how to rewire a lamp and do simple sewing projects, as well as have a very good understanding of academics. They insist that learning a musical instrument stimulates other learning, and that simple wooden toys and fairy tales and teaching reading relatively late (at seven) are best for brain development. I have followed all of these developmental ideas in rearing my own daughter, and she is doing very well. She was accepted at the Waldorf High School here, but decided to go to another school where some of her friends were going. Benjamin Creme and David Spangler have new age ideas that are not Christian. I read brief biographical information, and again, they seem harmless, although their belief systems are a little different from mine. Findhorn is a very interesting community. I don't really like community living, but their motivation is sustainable life on earth, and world peace. Certainly there is nothing Satanic about that. Maitreya seems like a fascinating guy. I am not sure why anyone would believe that Jesus was the last spiritual leader who walked the earth, and that anyone who appears now is a fake. It seems most likely that he is a Buddhist. I think it may take a Buddhist to lead us out of the hell on earth we have created, but that is a personal belief. One of the things that interests me about him is that he has appeared to fundamentalists first, knowing that they would be the hardest to win over. That sounds very smart!! The World Federalists are a respected organization of intellectuals who want to reform the United Nations. Gorbachev, one of my personal heroes, is one of them. People like this want a stable planet earth with enough common agreement on issues like the environment so that some of us don't destroy everything for the rest of us. Obviously with the rain forests burning in Mexico and affecting air quality in America, and India and Pakistan about to blow each other away with nuclear bombs, it is fairly obvious that the human community is going to have to be a little more peaceful and cooperative than we have been. This will probably take some consciousness raising to achieve. Again, I see nothing sinister about that. I do think it is very easy to misinterpret the teachings of extremely fringe organizations, which the New Agers have just like the Christians do, and to smear most of modern society with them. Insinuating that Jim Jones and the Guyana deaths were New Age is quite unfair, just like saying that the World Council of Churches and UNICEF are part of a Satanic conspiracy. Here are the urls I got my information from: ucsu.colorado.edu (This explains the New World Order from a view that seems close to yours) shareintl.org (Benjamin Creme) mca.com (David Spangler) wonp.org (Maitreya) victorious.org (A Christian pastor writing more anti-New Age stuff)