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To: Emile Vidrine who wrote (17173)	6/7/1998 12:14:00 AM
From: Raymond James Norris	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 39621

The Qur'an is filled with thousands of erros; the entire book is a distortion of the Old and New Testament. Oh please! How can you possibly expect any time of real logical discussion when you continue to make facetious comments. You're entire argument can be summed up like this: "It's true because my book says it is." Give me a break. The only evidence you have that these are "errors" is because they disagree with the bible. By definition, that means showing an error with proof. If I have two sports almanacs and one disagrees with the other, that doesn't mean whichever disagreed is wrong. It just means a disagreement exists. An error constitutes either contradiction within the book itself or disagreement with a proven fact. You'd be pretty surprised if I could demonstrate the above from the Bible, wouldn't you? One question: In Deuteronomy 18:20 we read "But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die." According to this, any prophet who claims to speak in the name of God that was not commanded to will be killed. Muhammad spoke not just a single word, but dictated a whole book in God's name. For twenty three years he spoke exclusively in the name of God Almighty. He was given one hundred and fourteen chapters, all of which were, and are to this day, recited day after day in God's name. Chapters in the Qur'an begin with the words "In the name of God, the Gracious, the Merciful." Yet he did not die, but lived to fulfill his message completely. He himself even narrated in the name of God a similar verse in the Qur'an: "And if he (Muhammad) had invented false sayings in Our (God's) name, We would have taken him by the right, then We would have severed from him his aorta, and there is none among you who could have held Us off from him" The Qur'an,(69):46 If the claims of some are true: That Muhammad (pbuh) was an impostor, then did God go to sleep for twenty three years? He knew full well what Muhammad (pbuh) was claiming. If he was not telling the truth, why did God not kill him? Why did he allow him to perpetrate a lie that would span fourteen centuries, and eventually come to cover the globe? From someone who loves your soul enough to tell you the truth. For someone that loves my soul, you sure have an arrogant way of showing that love. All I have seen from you is hatred and contempt. Thanks! Ray

To: Emile Vidrine who wrote (17173)	6/7/1998 2:03:00 AM
From: Emile Vidrine	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

"Simply find one mistake within the book (Qur'an). Simply find one mistake within the book. " ERROR NUMBER TWO: II. The Qur'an teaches that Jesus was not crucified. Sura IV:157 That they said in boast, "We killed Christ Jesus The son of Mary, The Apostle of God"; But they killed him not, Nor crucified him, But so it was made To appear to them, and those who differ Therein are full of doubts, With no certain knowledge, But only conjecture to follow, For of a surety They kiled him not: ------------------------------------- Mohammad claims that Jesus was never Crucified nor did He die. The historicity of the Crucifixion is well documented in the Gospels as well as in several secular sources. Mohammad came up with his historical revisionism about the Crucifixion of Christ 600 years after the historical event had occurred. Mohammad offers no historical and factual documentation to back his claim that Jesus was never Crucified. The burden of proof is always on the historical revisionist and not on an established historical fact. From a stictly rational and historical point of view, Mohammad's "new theory" about the Crucifixion is clearly shown to be false since he cannot supply any supporting evidence except faith in his words. Before Mohammad, there is no historical document claiming that Jesus had not been Crucified. The Jews who wrote the Babylonian Talmud were the most vicious enemies of Jesus and Christians, but they still confirmed the Crucifixion while rejecting the Resurrection. So, Mohammad simply had no history or written facts to confirm his historical revision of the Crucifixion. Therefore, on a historical and rational plain, the burden of proof is upon Islam's shoulder. Neverthless, I will provide you with an important secular historical document that substantiates the fact of the Crucifixion and proves that Mahammad was teaching lies. The document is called ACTA PILATI and can be found in The Archko Volume or The Archeological Writings of the Sanhedrin and Talmuds of the Jews by Drs. Mcintosh and Twyman. I believe the volume is now available through Amazon. Pontius Pilate sent his report about the Crucifixion to Tiberius Caesar, Emperor of Rome. In this report, Pilate confirms the Gospel account of the Crucifixion of Jesus. ---------------------- No secualr historical documents are needed to discredit Mohammad because Mohammad has already discredited himself by opposing the Holy Spirit inspired accounts in the Gospels and Epistles in the New Testament. The authenticity of the Gospels, the Epistles and the Hebrew Scripture have withstood the historical and archaelogical research of the last two thousand years. The most convincing proof of the truth and authenticity of the New Testament does not rest on archaelogical or historical research but rather on the dynamic experience of meeting and knowing God the Father through our faith in Jesus. The truth of the Gospels brings the Christian into a personal relationship with God the Father and Jesus the Son as well as an infilling of the Holy Spirit. The Resurrected and Divine Jesus is alive and sitting at the right hand of God performing all His Words in the New and Old Testament. May Christ remove the veil of darkness over your heart according to the desire of truth in your heart. Emile