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To: Spots who wrote (1299)	6/11/1998 9:17:00 PM
From: Dave Hanson	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 14778

IE 4 vs. Netscape: Spots's reply "It updates all sorts of system stuff with great abandon, and heaven forbid that the Great God Microsoft might ask permission for any of that." Indeed, this scared me during my trial install. I'm wondering how bad this would be if active desktop was not installed--Sean's experience suggests it at least hasn't affected his stability. "I have had good success with Netscape and do not experience your problems." Good to hear. Do you run 4.05 or an earlier version? Do you have good luck with Datek's gritch client and streamer (if you've tried it) using NS? How many windows do you keep open at once? I suspect I was the unclear one during our crash discussion (sorry!): -I understand that no 32 bit app should affect any other app internally, and that they're designed to run in their own memory spaces. (Indeed, this is a reason I use only 32 bit apps unless forced to do otherwise.) -The problem that gave rise to the original question is that I can't seem to launch multiple _instances_ of Netscape. This is evident in two respects. First, one window's crash _always_ brings _all_ netscape windows (but _only_ netscape windows) down. Second, taskman only shows one NS process, even if I attempt to launch multiple instances, which is not true of my other programs. I conclude that either (a) NS is one app which won't let you run multiple instances, just multiple windows of the same instance, or (b) I just haven't figured out how to do it yet. (BTW, is "instance" clear in this context?) Can you get multiple instances running, with seperate processes listed in task manager? Does any particular thing cause NS to crash for you? -NS also uses the most memory for me. At the moment, 12 megs of real mem, and 6 of VM. Often times, real mem gets above 20. A real hog. Thanks, Dave

To: Spots who wrote (1299)	6/11/1998 10:02:00 PM
From: Sean W. Smith	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 14778

Have you tried 4.01? If you haven't you should. Its an excellent browser. better than netscape in MOST respects. Concerning ms's reckless for updating the OS and other dll's at will. It SUCKS. Unfortunately all their big software does it. Frontpage, Office, Outlook, IE are the big culprits. Its an inherent flaw in their archecture and programming style. This is never an issue on unix. I have never had to re-install a UNIX OS or Os/2 to solve a configuration problem..... BTW: Spots, I can confirm that when netscape crashes all instances of its windows DO indeed disappear. No interaction with other apps just other instances of itself. IE does not do this. Honestly I think IE may have crashed 2-3 times max in the last 4 months I used it. I find it stable. Needles to say I have Nav 3.04 and 4.05 and IE 3.02 and 4.01 loaded on my network. Mainly I load IE 4.01 and HAV 4.05 Sean Have no idea why installing a new IDE Drive would screw up a SCSI CD. Sean