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To: tero kuittinen who wrote (11464)	6/13/1998 10:12:00 AM
From: Sawtooth	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 152472

CLAP, CLAP, CLAP, CLAP, CLAP, CLAP, CLAP for Tero, Gregg, and all of the other "infinately-more-knowledgeable-on-this-subject-than-I" members of this thread who are active participants. Technically/theoretically/strategically/ethically right or wrong, agree or disagree, your debates are carried out with strong conviction, reasonable respect and civility, and obvious knowledge. Can one imagine a more boring or less thought-provoking board than one where everyone agreed on everything? I salute and thank you all. ...Tim

To: tero kuittinen who wrote (11464)	6/14/1998 4:29:00 AM
From: Joe NYC	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 152472

Tero, I guess there's no sense to argue about this if you refuse to compare models from different standards. But that won't stop the consumers from doing so. Ok, suppose I am about to get a new wireless phone. Since there is a pay-phone on every block where I live, there is not much use for a wireless phone to make one phone call / month. Suppose I am one of the nut-cases who walk on the streets talking on their mobile phone. I am a heavy user. Suppose I know I want to use the phone 30 minutes / day or 900 minutes / month. The first thing I would do is to find out who the providers are in my area. We have Sprint (CDMA), Bell Atlantic (CDMA) and Omnipoint (GSM). Sprint service would cost me $99/month and I would get 1000 minutes, and I could call anywhere in the US (no long distance charges). Also, there is no need to sign long term contract. Their promotion now is to get 500 additional minutes / months free for period of 1 year. sprintpcs.com Omnipoint prices depend on when you make your phone call, when you call. They actually had to write a calculator on their web site to figure out how much you would pay. The rate for 900 minutes ranges from $193 (all calls local off-peak) to $476 / month if you call long distance. To match sprint offer of 1000 minutes anywhere + 500 off-peak, Omnipoint would charge their subscriber $625/month omnipoint.com According to a friend who had Omnipoint, you have to sign a contract. They have to resort to the use of these contracts probably because the the GSM phones need to be subsidized in order to get people to actually buy them. Bell Atlantic is somewhere in between, but a closer to Sprint. Their site is bam.com, but it's down at the moment. SO the "privilage" of using GSM is going to cost you somewhere between $94/month to $526 / month. Ok, you say that you would rather be walking around with "a runaway hit" Ericsson 788. Omnipoint will sell it to you for $199. You will get a light, 4.7 oz handset with talk time of 200 minutes, 45 to 60 hrs standby. You only get 1 line of text display. If you really want small and light weight, Sprint can offer you the Z phone, slightly smaller, slightly heavier: 5.3 oz with talk time of 150 minutes, standby of 24 hours. Is this the big deal you are talking about? The differences are hardly worth mentioning. SO again, for extra $94/month to $526 / month, or $1,128 to $6,312 / year, you will have the luxury of not having to recharge your phone 3 out of every 4 days (Hmm, what is easier to remember, that you have to recharge the phone every night, or to remember if how many days it has been since the last recharging). But wait, if you recharge your phone only every 4 days, you will get to use only 50 talk time / day. Scratch that advantage. You will still get to carry .6oz less. Big deal. Now to the last point, the extra 50 minutes of talk time per charge. At the rates I listed, you really don't want to spend a lot of time talking on the GSM phone. Now let me tell you how your typical (non-geeky) american really selects a phone: They look at the service plans, pick one they like, and get the cheapest phone required for the service plan. Joe

To: tero kuittinen who wrote (11464)	6/16/1998 8:46:00 PM
From: Maurice Winn	Respond to of 152472

Tero, have you realized yet that GSM is obsolete and the only question is the trajectory to a totally cdma2000 world and the timing of it? Here is a little quote from some joker involved with W-CDMA-VW. See Caxton's post 11548. ----------------------------------------------------------- "But according to Engstr”m, it's also important to begin charting the upgrade path from GSM to W-CDMA, or the Universal Mobile Telecoms System (UMTS), as Europe has dubbed 3G. "In order to evaluate the system properly, we have to see how to grow out of the existing GSM system to the new one," he said. "We will be running W-CDMA on our GSM network as a test." ------------------------------------------------------------ Firstly, I suppose we should call it W-CDMA-3GUMTS-VW in accordance with European bureaucratic nomenclature. 'cdma2000' is much simpler and will actually work. Secondly, do you realize those quotes are from somebody who is from a company working WITH Ericsson who reckon that cdmaOne is late to market and will never succeed? Why on earth would they be seeing if they can steal IPR which doesn't work? If we have a world record whining championships, do you have a nomination for louder and longer whining than the UMTS crowd over cdma2000 IPR costs? Janet Reno whining over Bill Gates temporary software successes is going on for a while. So is Ken Starr's salacious, prurient, pointless and expensive whining investigation into exactly what genitalial contact Bill and Monica had. "But I'm not interested in THAT - all I'm wanting to know is "Did she LIE about it and did he SUGGEST she lie? We have a right to know these things! Preferably on a tv set so we can all drool in the privacy of our own homes. They have no right to conceal such things. This is an important national issue. Stuff the stockmarket and Japan". Of course, there is a long whine emanating from some quarters about that treasonable traitor Mr Bernard Schwartz who is financing MIRV development in Kazhakstan and China and secretly and illegally telling them how to fix soldering joints while bribing the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES to let him assist with the destruction of the USA. He has obviously got secret information about Bill Clinton and Monica Lewinsky and has held it over him as a threat. At least with all the hubub, Clinton doesn't have time to get his haircut on the taxiways at LAX, blocking up a multibillion $$ economy. Tero, that quote above means that GSM is finished! It is going to fizzle out. It is not going to be the world ruling standard. You must prepare for the 21st century. Mqurice