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To: Big Bucks who wrote (20316)6/13/1998 11:36:00 AM
From: Teri Skogerboe  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 70976
 
From this chart it almost looks like a "buy on close order at market" accounted for the "strength" at the end of the day... and the larger blocks of the day were at the lower prices. IMO, we haven't seen one drop of blood in AMAT's shares yet and if history is any guide, we will. If a person believes in the "madness of crowds" theory (that they overreact on both the upside and downside) we are a long ways from that point. This thread has been right (ex. a few 'true believers') for at the least the last 6 months, and we tend to question our logic when the market goes the other way (like Friday).

The bottom line to me is, business fundamentals really stink, we have too much capacity, even more than in '96, a recession in Japan, no real need to upgrade current pc's (yet), a DRAM glut, a commoditization of the microprocessor (I care not if my PC has Intel inside or AMD inside), Intel sees no need to add Flash memory capacity until 2002, and Taiwan is scratching their head and wondering why in the world they got so exuberant. Things are looking bleak, but we haven't seen panic yet. What are the odds we won't see panic this cycle? Human beings are so darn predictable that I feel the odds (of no panic) are extremely small. We have not seen exasperation on these threads, like we have recently on the drilling threads.

I still like Jacob's theory on the bottom and believe in it, and my opinion is that we're not there yet. I guess the only catch is that we each have to develop some kind of plan for the various contingencies. Everybody knows this. And the bottom will come when the news is very bad. (we've got that now.)

It seems to me the heart of Jtech's argument is the seasonality of the chip market...that summer is a slow period. And I agree summer is slow, but if I sell capital equipment to chip makers who have more capacity than they'll need for whoknowshowlong, and whose profits (if any) are deteriorating faster than Jtech types, how do my business fundamentals start to improve before my customers' situation gets better?

my opinion... we're not there yet.

this is rambly and disorganized, but damn I don't get paid much (for writing) -g-...so there! ts

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