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To: Zeev Hed who wrote (32933)	6/13/1998 5:55:00 PM
From: Joe Hartenbower	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 35569

Z...ROFLMAO... it's there Z. Read them some more!

To: Zeev Hed who wrote (32933)	6/13/1998 8:20:00 PM
From: Chuca Marsh	Respond to of 35569

Darn, really in that case: Just ub if it works! ( Just kidding , TC, now thanks for the link on the contact page!)RE: Chuca, The link for the Message Board is now working on the main page thewww.com I put the message board on a different server that has CGI. Tom thewww.com thewww.com flagguys.com icss.com flagguys.com thewww.com vfw.com amrvideo.com thewww.com thewww.com history.navy.mil Gizo Bend ( East ) We SAY that all times are LOVE!: <<..Around 0215 the three were due East of Gizo Island headed South, in right echelon formation with PT 109 leading, PT 162 second and PT 169 last. PT 162 saw on a collision course, a warship headed Northward about 700 yards away. The PT 162 turned to fire its torpedoes, but they did not fire. The PT 162 finally turned to the Southwest upon getting within 100 yards of the warship, to avoid collision. Personnel aboard the PT 162 saw 2 raked stacks, and at least 2 turrets aft, and possibly a third turret. At the time of turning, PT 109 was seen to collide with the warship, followed by an explosion and a large flame which died down a little, but continued to burn for 10 or 15 minutes. The warship when it was about 3000 yards away headed toward them at high speed. The PT 169 stopped just before the warship hit PT 109, turned toward it and fired two torpedoes when abeam at 150 yards range. The destroyer straddled the PT 169 with shell fire, just after it a collision with PT 109, and then circled left toward Gizo Island at increased speed and disappeared. The PT 169 laid smoke screen and zigzaged to the Southeast along the reefs off Gizo Island. About 0245 a wake was seen coming up from the near Northwest and on a parallel course. The PT 169 swung around to the left toward the ship (a destroyer) and fired port and starboard forward torpedoes at 2000 yards. The destroyer turned to its port just in time for the starboard torpedo to hit its bow and explode. The PT 169 continued its swing and retired South thru Ferguson Passage going at high speed for 1/2 mile laying smoke and zigzaging and headed for base. All its torpedoes gone. PT 157 was farther North than the other 3 PTs. About 0200 the PT 157 saw a ship close in shore off Kolombangara due East of the center of Gizo Island and fired 2 torpedoes at it, but no explosion was seen. The ship continued Northwest at about 5 knots, without firing and disappeared. No further contact was made with the express. The boats remaining on station departed for base at 0400. 5. All times are Love. 6. COMMUNICATIONS: Communications with base were good, however, several PTs failed to put out immediate intelligible report of contact with the enemy, with the result that the others had no chance to get into position for an attack. 7. COMMENTS AND RECOMMENDATIONS: (a) Contact reports giving the senders call, the type, position, course and speed of the enemy should be radioed immediately in plain language. PTs not making the contact should refrain from all radio traffic themselves (except contact reports) until all reasonable possibility of making contact has ended. The boats making contact should continue reports of enemy position, etc. after torpedo firing and as long as the enemy is visible or on radar. (b) PTs should stay together in "V" formation and follow their division leader. All boats should fire their torpedoes when their section leader fires, without deployment. They should spread torpedoes about the base torpedo course of the leader. (c) The boats should fire at shorter range. Some boats retired without firing and had to be directed to return to station. (d) The Mark VIII torpedo again manifested its want of capacity to inflict real damage. Enemy destroyers kept going after certain hits had been scored. Intelligence reports that 5 unexploded torpedoes are on the shore of Kolombangara Island. (e) Flashes and burning in the tubes on firing not only give target opportunity to avoid but disclose PT positions. Not enough interest is being taken in this matter behind the firing line. T. G. WARFIELD. Advance copy to: CicPac..>> Chucaupt(1 & 2 now)