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To: jhild who wrote (1411)6/16/1998 11:10:00 AM
From: Mr E  Respond to of 11684
 
Jhild
Sounds like you don't want to invest. SO DON"T
I'M LONG & STRONG holding 100,000 shares!!!

Jeff



To: jhild who wrote (1411)6/16/1998 11:10:00 AM
From: StandFast  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 11684
 
Great question jhild!

"What they haven't said is how much it will cost to get that value out of the ground and to market. If that estimate gets paired down to 0 by extraction and transportation costs, then that's its net value to shareholders - $0.00/share. All they have said in that paragraph is - nothing that they can ever be held accountable for."

How bout calling the company and getting the answers for your statement? Then you could share the information with us?:)



To: jhild who wrote (1411)6/16/1998 11:24:00 AM
From: Turboe  Respond to of 11684
 
Mountain currently owns 30 separate properties in West Virginia with approximately 1,300 acres owned in fee and an additional 1,300 acres of mineral rights. Reserve estimates by the U.S. Geological Survey (''U.S.G.S.'') indicate in excess 10,000,000 tons bituminous coal. This low sulfur, low ash content, high BTU, clean burning currently sells for $25-$28 per ton. With cost of mining and transportation estimated at $11-$15 per ton, this will show a $10 per ton conservative net profit, (representing maximum cost to mine and minimum selling price), providing net asset value in excess of $100,000,000, with a potential of $170,000,000. The U.S.G.S. estimates also indicate in excess of 2 billion cubic feet of coal methane gas. This gas currently sells in excess of $3.00/MCF 1000 cubic feet. In most cases this gas is subject to an alternate fuel tax credit in excess of $3 MCF, for an estimated value of $5/MCF valued at $10,000,000.

So, it looks like net asset value of 110,000,000 - 180,000,000
So on a per share basis (70M o/s): $1.57 - $2.57


This is from:

Thursday May 28, 6:01 am Eastern Time
Company Press Release
Mountain Energy Inc. Announces Corporate Profile and Introduces Management Team
HOUSTON--(BUSINESS WIRE)--May 28, 1998--Mountain Energy Inc. (formerly International Casino Cruises Inc. OTCBB:ICVI) announced today its corporate profile and management team. Mountain Energy Inc. (''Mountain'') is in the business of acquiring primary producing reserves along with the development and production of passed over developed domestic oil and gas reserves utilizing modern technology to find and enhance production.

Mountain sees an opportunity to attain growth and shareholder value through strategic acquisitions of proved oil and gas properties located primarily throughout Texas and Louisiana Gulf Coast onshore and offshore in water less than 50' in depth and the Mid-Continental Region of the United States.

Many Gulf Coast oil and gas fields have never been evaluated with advance logging tools that can detect previously overlooked and untested hydrocarbon-bearing formations that lie behind casing pipe. Most of the major oil and gas fields Gulf Coast region were discovered between 1930 and 1970 and were logged with simple electric logging equipment. Wells were lined with steel casing down to the objective formation depth to prevent shallower formations from collapsing into the wellbore. Until the recent emergence of superior case hole logging technology and digital log re-processing, it was difficult to identify hydrocarbon bearing formations behind cased wellbores.

The American Petroleum Institute estimates as much as 50 billion barrels of oil and gas equivalents have been passed over in the United States alone that may be developed using these new technologies.

Mountain currently owns 30 separate properties in West Virginia with approximately 1,300 acres owned in fee and an additional 1,300 acres of mineral rights. Reserve estimates by the U.S. Geological Survey (''U.S.G.S.'') indicate in excess 10,000,000 tons bituminous coal. This low sulfur, low ash content, high BTU, clean burning currently sells for $25-$28 per ton. With cost of mining and transportation estimated at $11-$15 per ton, this will show a $10 per ton conservative net profit, (representing maximum cost to mine and minimum selling price), providing net asset value in excess of $100,000,000, with a potential of $170,000,000. The U.S.G.S. estimates also indicate in excess of 2 billion cubic feet of coal methane gas. This gas currently sells in excess of $3.00/MCF 1000 cubic feet. In most cases this gas is subject to an alternate fuel tax credit in excess of $3 MCF, for an estimated value of $5/MCF valued at $10,000,000.

A separate reserve study has been commissioned by Independent Reservoir and Mining Engineers to arrive at a realistic present net asset value. History indicates that U.S.G.S. estimates usually represent 25 percent to 40 percent of actual minerals in place. The Company continues to acquire additional acreage in the area.

MANAGEMENT

Jack Uselton -- Chairman and Chief Executive Officer. Mr. Uselton, 59, is a seasoned veteran in the oil and gas industry with over 40 years experience in all aspects of the business. Prior to forming Mountain Energy, Mr. Uselton owned and operated a drilling company primarily working in Texas and Oklahoma. Prior to that, Mr. Uselton has worked for several independent oil companies as an operations manager, operations engineer and drilling department manager. Mr. Uselton has drilled and operated in 93 different countries throughout the world.

R. David White -- Vice-President, Director and General Counsel. Mr. White, 53, serves as corporate legal counsel primarily responsible for acquisitions and contract negotiations. Prior to joining Mountain Energy, Mr. White has served as a private attorney in Texas representing real estate investment trusts and several corporate clients. Additionally, Mr. White served as senior attorney for Aminoil acting as primary legal counsel for all domestic U.S. exploration, land and production activities.

Winston Overstreet -- Vice-President of Operations. Mr. Overstreet, 57, with 40 years experience is responsible for well planning, drilling and completion as well as well work over and productions. Prior to joining Mountain Energy, Mr. Overstreet has acted as a drilling contractor, supervising the drilling operations for various oil companies including Sonat, Rutherford Oil and Transworld Egypt Petroleum.

Quentin Moore -- Vice-President of Exploration. Mr. Moore, 75, with 50 years experience, is responsible for generating, analyzing and developing drilling prospects. Prior to joining Mountain Energy, Mr. Moore was responsible for coordination of exploration and exploitation in ''Lower 48'' States where the company was acquiring properties with a staff of two geophysicists and ten geologists. Developed and managed exploration programs in Texas and Louisiana Gulf Coast onshore. Responsible for all exploration and exploitation in states of New Mexico to and including Florida and Arkansas. Directed exploration facilities in U.K. North Sea, Scotland onshore, West German Baltic, Egypt, Columbia, and Ecuador.





To: jhild who wrote (1411)6/16/1998 11:30:00 AM
From: Dixie7777  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 11684
 
Press Release, Mountain Energy owns and controls the mineral rights in West Virginia that
contain approximately 1.98 billion cubic feet of gas and 10,000,000 tons of
coal, as well as other properties that all combined, have an estimated fair
market value in excess of $200,000,000 with approximately 70,000,000
shares outstanding after the acquisition. This translates to approximately
$2.85 per share.


jhild says, They have taken the estimates of possible reserves the 10M tons and the 2B cubic
feet and they have turned that into a $200M value. What they haven't said is how
much it will cost to get that value out of the ground and to market. If that estimate
gets paired down to 0 by extraction and transportation costs, then that's its net
value to shareholders - $0.00/share. All they have said in that paragraph is -
nothing that they can ever be held accountable for.


You might just have a point there jhild. But you've overlooked one thing. Papillion!!

There was a little noticed pr a few months back that indicated the world's governments have decided to band together, with Microsoft's, er.. the US Govnmt's approval, and send all their hardened criminals, (not to be confused with that band of robbers that hijacked the truckload of Viagra up in Jersey City last week,) to a mountain prison camp in West Virginia.

Now here's where it get's a little dicey. Ya see JChristensen's third cousin, on his father's side has a dog that was bred by a family member of one of the founders of Campbell's soup. His name is Billy Fartout, the family member, not the dog, later changed to Forthright. Well it seems that, and oh yes we believe he is a fourth cousin to you know who, Billy is connected to Corecraft, the governing agency of all the Micros... US prisons. A deal was done and believe this if you will but 'ol Jack U is gonna get paid by Micr... er, the US Govmn't $22 per ton that the prisoners remove from those hills because he's rehabilatin 'em. Then MTEI gets to sell the coal on the open market for almost a 200% valuation.

So you see the PR estimates are extremly conservative in-as-much Jack U has not divulged the Mic... er, the US Govnm't connection.

Things are really a lot better than they appear. You had better dig a little deeper if you want to play in this sandbox jhild.



To: jhild who wrote (1411)6/16/1998 2:02:00 PM
From: wonk  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 11684
 
jhild:

I agree with you. This was a cleverly worded release.

Mountain Energy owns and controls the mineral rights in West Virginia that contain approximately 1.98 billion cubic feet of gas and 10,000,000 tons of coal, as well as other properties that all combined, have an estimated fair market value in excess of $200,000,000 with approximately 70,000,000 shares outstanding after the acquisition. This translates to approximately $2.85 per share.

However, I think the lawyers would argue long and hard about accountability. Let me provide some context.

The most widely recognized and accepted standard of value is fair market value. It is the standard that applies to all federal and state tax matters, such as estate, gift, inheritance, income, and ad valorem taxes. It is also the legal standard of value in many others - though not all valuation situations. The definition of fair market value is almost universally accepted as the cash, or cash equivalent price, at which property would change hands between a willing buyer and willing seller, both adequately informed of the relevant facts and neither being compelled to buy or to sell. There is also general agreement that the definition implies that the parties have the ability as well as the willingness to buy or to sell. The market in this definition can be thought of as all potential buyers and sellers of like businesses and practices.

In the legal interpretation of fair market value, the willing buyer and willing seller are hypothetical persons dealing at arm's length rather than any "particular" buyer or seller. In other words, a price would not be considered as representative of fair market value if influenced by motivations not characteristic of a typical buyer or seller.

The concept of fair market value also presumes prevalent economic conditions at the date of the particular valuation. You have probably often heard someone say, "I couldn't get anywhere near the value of my house if I put it on the market today" or "The value of XYZ Company stock is really much more (or less) than the price it is selling for on the New York Stock Exchange today." The standard of value implied in these statements is some other than fair market value, since the concept of fair market value means the cash-equivalent price at which the transaction could be expected to take place under conditions existing as of the valuation date. Also, one important aspect of the definition of fair market value is that it is denominated in cash or cash equivalents, not some combination of cash and non-marketable notes....

Valuing a Business: The Analysis and Appraisal of Closely Held Companies. Shannon Pratt. Second Edition. Pg 22-23.


In the appraisal of real property, i.e., real estate, all costs associated with extracting the value must be considered. Raw land is only worth raw land, not the land plus a fully-rented Empire State Building on it. There has been talk on the thread of extraction and transportation costs. Neglected were G&A expenses, federal and state taxes and most importantly, cost for reclamation of the land. An independent appraisal would compute these costs and the cash flow derived from the sale of the minerals, discounted over time and summed, would be the estimated fair market value of the property.

Consequently, the press release is carefully worded to talk about the estimated fair market value of the minerals themselves, as if delivered to the commodity market right now.

In contrast, lets look at the fair market value of the private company, Mountain Energy. At the time the reverse merger was pre-announced by Joe Gort, ICVI was trading at approx. 5 cents. Multiply that by the 65 million outstanding shares you get a valuation of approx $3.2 million for the combined company. Because 50 million of the shares are restricted, it would be almost mandatory to take a "marketability" discount which for the sake of simplicity I won't do. A marketability discount would lower the value even further. Assuming this was an "arms length transaction, ME and ICVI themselves computed a fair market value of the combined company of something less than $3.2 million.

Assuming for the sake of argument that everything is on the up- and-up, the private company ME paid for an OTC:BB listing with approximately 23% (approx 15 million existing shares divided by a new total issued shares of 65 million) of the total economic value of the transaction. At $3.2 million, this would be approx $730 thousand dollars. Is this unreasonable? Probably not. Flotation costs associated with taking a private company public would not be much more than this and maybe less presuming the company could easily meet listing requirements.

In contrast, using a $2.85 asset value per share is ridiculous. No sane person can argue that the private company, Mountain Energy, paid $46 million dollars for an OTC:BB listing (23% of $200 million). ME could have done a 504 registration, raised up to a million dollars in cash, and the existing stockholders of the private ME could have kept a far larger share of the economic value of the new public company. Since by all appearances, ME received no cash out of the transaction, except the working capital that was in the ICVI shell (again which we have absolutely zero information about), the decision to go the "reverse merger" route is even more difficult to justify based upon any financial or fund-raising standard I know of.

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