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To: Maurice Winn who wrote (11557)	6/16/1998 8:27:00 PM
From: Ramsey Su	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 152472

Maurice, totally and completely off topic. It is easy for you to be optimistic from down under. Whats down is up and whats up is down. As for me, first, I can't go to Indonesia anymore because they don't like Chinese, especially fat ones. Now I guess Australia is off my list with Hanson. I didn't know there is a KKK chapter down there. Better tell my white wife to travel by herself from now on. Us suppressed minorities are just not welcomed anywhere. Ramsey

To: Maurice Winn who wrote (11557)	6/16/1998 8:46:00 PM
From: JMD	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 152472

Hi Gang, boy oh boy--I go away for a few days and all we've got is ONE MIGHTY BIG OFF TOPIC THREAD. Here's your penance: more off topic. The World Bank quote re: Depression in Asia in the article Caxton posted was thrilling to read of course but it was just a summary. The full article went on to say that the other Asian countries, and the U.S., was more concerned with "an absence of leadership" in Japan than with 'actual' economic fixes. That is to say, the rest of the world believes that Japan has all the goodies to fix things but none of the things to get the fixes underway. The spokesman from Hong Kong was particularly reved up on this theme. Now those of you who have faithfully followed the ol' Surfer know that this has been my mantra: these dudes do NOT fess up and say 'whoopsie, we did a bad'--not without a decade or two of face saving, sapuku, and eight million meetings. Long plane rides this past week gave me the opportunity to get into a neat book on my favorite topic, that being the really great war: WWII, now there folks was one to write home about. Let me just say that without Winston and Franklin at the helm, we'd all be posting in German. (No Ordinary Time by Doris Kearns Goodwin). If we are indeed at a crossroads, my greatest fear is not that we don't have the means to solve it but that our partner, Japan, lacks the will. Maurice, I dig 'new rulz' and think you are right. But maybe Japan will have to go to the brink before the current generation gets tossed on their behinds (richly deserved) so the new kids on the block take over. Trouble is, these kinds of power transfers are rarely accomplished without great pain, economic and otherwise. It may well be that this crisis is necessary to clean house but that is scary. Still long, but knees a little weak just now. P.S. Nobody asked but the kid graduated (in a monsoon) and his sheepskin looked like a 'French Tickler' (for those of you old enough to remember that phrase) before the ceremony was over. Maurice, why didn't you tell me the damned things shrink? Surfer Mike