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To: rhet0ric who wrote (11581)6/17/1998 5:37:00 PM
From: Maurice Winn  Respond to of 152472
 
***really off-topic*** Heck, you revisionists are forgetting that it wasn't the Russian army or American - not even the British which enabled the partition of Europe into East and West. It was the New Zealand 8th army, operating in North Africa/Middle East then going up through Italy, defeating Rommell and co, which enabled the Russians to gain ground. More particularly, it was my Dad, who did such a great job of sound ranging out in front of the lines to identify German gun positions by the sound when they fired - isn't that poetic justice = you can only shoot them if they shoot at you!

And don't forget, he was the first in the world to declare war after Hitler invaded Poland, years before the USA joined opposition to Hitler. Before Britain [albeit only a few hours], before Russia. Before everyone. And nobody travelled further to beat back the forces of darkness.

There were also some Indian soldiers allegedly helping, but they wanted to steal some chickens from a lady [farmer] who wouldn't sell them. Bad luck for the Indians, there was a Kiwi standing there, explaining that they could not confiscate her IPR or PR!

Lest we forget!

Mqurice

[He gave Mum a book: "This Torch of Freedom" in 1938.]



To: rhet0ric who wrote (11581)6/17/1998 11:44:00 PM
From: Joe NYC  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 152472
 
rhet0ric

OT

by 1942 the Soviet Union could have beaten Germany without the help of the other allies.
...
And the Soviets could have taken Berlin in 1944 if they had pushed for it

These 2 statements are very far apart. I probably agree with the 2nd one, but the first one seems pretty far out.

Joe