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To: Chuzzlewit who wrote (17717)	6/18/1998 8:43:00 PM
From: Thomas Calvet	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 39621

Chuzzlewit, Allow me: "But neither can you tell me the origin of God." God has no origin, He has always been. "But let me give you a biblical argument in favor of evolution. According to biblical myth mankind owes its origin to Adam and Eve. Yet today some 6,000 years later (according to fundamentalist thinking) we have a plethora of races. Some people have light skins, some have brown skins, some have nearly black skins, some have epilabial folds, others are very short, etc. So tell me, if evolution was not responsible for these racial differences where did all of these peoples come from (and so fast too!) ? Did god pull a quick creation over in the next county when no one was looking?" Evolution within a species is one thing, evolution between species is impossible, unprovable, and just plain nonsense. ST

To: Chuzzlewit who wrote (17717)	6/18/1998 9:32:00 PM
From: Sidney Reilly	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 39621

Chuzzlewit, Here is something to chew on I found for you. I found it at this web site. israelite.net The Second Law of Thermal Dynamics predicts decay and disorder. For example, that perfume will escape from a bottle into the air and not return back into the bottle. It also predicts that a mixture of solutions will not sort itself into separate substances. A gas is a mixture of particles of different kinetic energy, but it will never separate itself into two halves, each half of the gas a different temperature. According to the Second Law of Thermal Dynamics an explosion has to create disorder and randomness, not order! All independent systems have to go from a state of maximum energy to minimum energy, and to disorder! The universe and all life are decaying, they are not evolving and becoming more complex with time. All things decay as they grow older. The Second Law of Thermal Dynamics confirms that the universe could not have started out as an explosion since explosions create disorder and destroy order. In addition to that it naturally has to be decaying further, and not evolving to become more complex. Evolution and the Big Bang would not be natural or scientific. That's like the perfume finding its way out of the air and back into the bottle, or like warm water separating itself into cold and hot halves. When we look at the universe we see a highly ordered place, with physical laws and highly ordered systems, and all this could not have evolved from a simple state of maximum chaos, like an explosion! The concept of Spontaneous Evolution and the Big Bang Theory contradict the Second Law of Thermal Dynamics! Any system left to itself will decay; that is why you can not create a Virtual Energy machine, a machine of one hundred percent efficiency as it converts energy from one form to another. In any process involving energy conversion, the total amount of energy left for useful work has to be less than the initial amount; this is the Law of Decay. The observable universe is slowly decaying. Stars and people don't grow younger, they grow older and gas clouds are observed to dissipate over time. Upon further observation, when we apply the Second Law of Thermal Dynamics, this universe appears to be a very young creation. If the universe were twenty billion years old, there would be no star clusters left, the members of clusters are observed to be flying apart, so they would have long since flown apart! And the spiral arms of the galaxies would have pulled in and assumed the configuration of a ring or a disk, due to momentum! The earth's magnetic field is decaying exponentially, and if the earth was even a hundred thousand years old, there would be no detectable magnetic field. The Earth has to be a very recent creation! And according to the laws of decay (entropy and enthalpy of matter and energy), if the universe was infinitely old, it would be dead; the fact that it is not proves that it isn't infinitely old! God is not pretending to exist, He really does exist. If He did not exist the atheists would not be trying so hard to deny the facts! This universe is full of life and energy because it is the recent creation of an existing omnipotent and omniscient Creator! Bob

To: Chuzzlewit who wrote (17717)	6/20/1998 12:24:00 AM
From: Don Martini	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 39621

Hey Chuzz: consider the plethora of puppies: Chows, Collies, Huskies, Pomeranians, Pit Bulls, Dobermans which have been developed in LESS than 6,000 years and which are much more differentiate than people. If canines can specialize so can humans. I believe your argument fails that the diversity of our species requires more than 6,000 years. If the Bible contains numerous specific scientific facts that were absolutely unknowable to the writers, and also clear predictions that were specifically fulfilled centuries later and could not have been understood by the writers, what would that mean? And thank you for your welcome to the SI family! Don