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To: Dwight E. Karlsen who wrote (46474)	6/21/1998 11:29:00 PM
From: shadowman	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 58727

>Dennis, a factory floor machine operator simply doesn't have the responsibility of theCEO and other upper management. You can bet that if that same factory floor machine operator were to be promoted to CEO, the pressures he would feel would have him demanding quite a bit more compensation than he made as a factory floor machine operator.< I guess the pressures are relative, although I'm of the opinion that most wage earners in America feel "pressures". As far as equity of wages I'm afraid you and I are just going to have to disagree about the equity question. If your comfortable that its equitable, I'm just as comfortable that it isn't. Personally, I'm happy to see some factory workers (blue collar) making a liveable wage somewhere in America. It's become all too rare.

To: Dwight E. Karlsen who wrote (46474)	6/22/1998 10:41:00 AM
From: Kevin	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 58727

Off Topic. >>>Dennis, a factory floor machine operator simply doesn't have the responsibility of the CEO and other upper management. You can bet that if that same factory floor machine operator were to be promoted to CEO, the pressures he would feel would have him demanding quite a bit more compensation than he made as a factory floor machine operator. The bottom line here in the GM situation is that from the numbers given, those GM factory floor machine operators are being compensated very generously, and should stop whining and get back to work.<<< Good morning Dwight. Being that I'm the son of a whining factory worker, I gotta comment on the above post of yours. First of all, let me explain the pressures of a man who regularly works 84 hour weeks when it is offered to him so he can give his family a better life. Men like this are under constant pressure because the upper management (who you believe holds so much more responsibility) are too busy cutting costs and playing golf to even realize the pressures and dangers of the blue collar workes they're in charge of. This causes tired men to work on machines which are not maintained properly (because the upper management will not pay the prices to maintain the machines), which leads to terrible accidents. I can list off accident after accident that I've heard about first hand where chunks of steel weighing several tons are thrown across buildings and hitting men, because the machines were not maintained properly and were not able to hold down what they normally should. My father had his leg broken in 4 spots due to one of these accidents. If he wasn't on a 3-step stool, it would have hit him across the back and killed him. Secondly, have you ever tried shift work? Try working this week 8am -4pm, next week 12am-8am, and the following week work 4pm til 12 midnight. This type of schedule even gets worse when you add an extra 4 hours onto any of those shifts when overtime is offered. The 'pressured' CEO only works 8-4 with a 2 hour lunch break to bulls%$t with the upper management. I'm explaining this to you, not to argue (because I won't waste time bickering), but to show you the other side since you obviously don't have a clue where the true pressures lie. I understand that upper management has responsibility and pressures of their own, but pushing a pencil and discussing your golf game does not measure up to the efforts of the 'whining' blue collar working that you mention. Not even close...I've witnessed and worked on both sides of this fence in my life. Good luck with the market. Kevin