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To: Kevin who wrote (46516)	6/22/1998 12:25:00 PM
From: Patrick Slevin	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 58727

<upper managment that we are referring to and saw first hand the "come in 15 minutes late and leave 15 mintues early" mentality> I think that's relative to individual experience. As I say, I was a shift worker making cans for Crown Cork and Seal while I was in college part time. I also held various other jobs punching a clock and I was a foreman at an electronics plant...foremen usually get in earlier and work through breaks and past the time the hourly worker goes home. As a manager, I was in charge of Communications....PBXs, Tie Lines, T-1s,....everything down to the programming and the sets. My experience was that I was on call 24 hours a day if there was a problem. I vividly remember coming in in the middle of the night and one time when the starter at the golf course told me as I was putting for a birdie to card a sub-80 round that there was a emergency message requiring me to get to the office ASAP. It was a Sunday, and I had to abandon plans I made to spend the day with the family. Topping it off, I missed the putt. As a manager, I was on salary. I received no compensation for work like this. So I think your observation is too general. Perhaps you noticed me coming in 15 minutes late on Monday, but perhaps I had just spent the day there on Sunday.

To: Kevin who wrote (46516)	6/22/1998 1:54:00 PM
From: ViperChick Secret Agent 006.9	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 58727

The 'pressured' CEO only works 8-4 with a 2 hour lunch break to bulls%$t with the upper management. again this is the comment I am responding to I personally know a CEO/COB of a small company with 8 million in sales and a CEO/COB of a company with over 60 Billion market cap and a few more more that should be thrown in between those two ends none of these people could have gotten where they are by working the hours you describe OR keep their job by working the hours you describe if you dont believe me...ask Techie about all the CEO's she knows that she is always talking about or ask Tom Trader...I suspect he knows a few CEO's. and while you are at it...throw in influential Governors of their state which could be construed as CEO's they dont work those kind of hours either and some Governors make LESS than factory workers and I dont personally know Bill Gates but I suspect that even he doesnt just work 8-4 5 days a week quite franky it shocks me that someone in the financial industry who watches the stock market and everything associated with it...would actually believe CEO's only work 8-4 and no I would not ever be a factory worker I am tooooooo lazy to stand on my feet all day long and the mindless mindnumbing repetition would drive me to drink..and I rarely drink

To: Kevin who wrote (46516)	6/23/1998 2:23:00 AM
From: Dwight E. Karlsen	Respond to of 58727

intense labor under extreme conditions. Maybe lisa hasn't, but I have, and I'm the one that used the term "whiner". In addition to what I said in my previous post, my stint in the very blue collar construction industry included working outside every day of a New England winter. What this included was installing composition roofing when in the morning it's -10 &deg F outside. You break for lunch and your lettuce and tomato sandwich is frozen, even though it started the day inside a warm pickup cab. You eat it anyway, because the nearest hot food is twenty or thirty miles away down winding roads, plus your boss doesn't want you to be gone that long. The rock pebbles on the comp roofing are frozen solid to the asphalt base of the shingle, so they don't give at all, and by afternoon break your new gloves have the tips worn clean through, and your fingers are bleeding. I've done all that plus more, friend. "been there, done that". I've earned my right to call those factory dudes making 69K plus 21K in bennies "whiners". so there, he sneered -gg-