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To: Raymond James Norris who wrote (17954)	6/22/1998 10:32:00 PM
From: O'Hara	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

><>...Good evening Raymond...><> You wrote; In fact, the words "Only Begotten Son" are now being changed since Scholars understand and realize that the translation is inaccurate. For proof, see below: The proof you offer is not proof at all, but just a fabricated version of your truth. The actual translation of the word begotten (as used in John 3;16,and a few others) in the original Gr. is as follows. 3439 monogenes, begotten (mon-og-en-ace'); from 3441 and 1096; only-born, i.e. sole: KJV-- only (begotten, child). Also used in the following Vs. John 1:14 14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. John 3:18 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. Heb 11:17 17 By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son, I Jn 4:9 9 In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him. This word begotten in the Gr. is also translated delivered. 1080 gennao, begotten (ghen-nah'-o); from a variation of 1085; to procreate (properly, of the father, but by extension of the mother); figuratively, to regenerate: KJV-- bear, beget, be born, bring forth, conceive, be delivered of, gender, make, spring. This is not however the word used in John 3;16 as per the orig. writings. I don't have the time or the inclination, at this point, to get into the rest of your distortions and multiple fabrications of the word of God. Higher critics have for centuries attempted to destroy and wipe out the word of God and have never been able to do so...All to the glory of God, and you my friend shall certainly not succeed either. The word of God lives on because the only begotten Son of God, Jesus the Christ Lives! John 12:46-48 46 I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness. 47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. 48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. Have a good evening Shalom...><>

To: Raymond James Norris who wrote (17954)	6/23/1998 9:51:00 AM
From: IN_GOD_I_TRUST	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 39621

First, I want to say, you will not lose me. I will continue to respond to you for as long as it takes, until one of us is convinced the other is right or one of us die. So don't worry! You seem to have a problem with the New Testament. I don't agree with you about your New Testament discrepancies. But instead of going into each discrepancy you mention, which I feel have little importance to the heart of the matter. But if we must, I will. I have answer for all of your problems, but lets get more fundamental. Who is Jesus Christ to you? I am a Jewish man who has come to faith in Jesus through the Old Testament. Didn't need the New Testament. It seems from your response you give more weight to the Old Testament than New Testament. I can also see your faith struggles with your complete belief of the New Testament. So I will stick to the Old Testament and avoid using the New Testament. The whole bible is a complete work that describes the Messiah cover to cover. Complete and without error. There are literally hundreds of versus in the Old Testament that speak of Messiah, as well as atonement for sin, which is the heart of the matter. The OT speaks of sin separating us from God and we need atonement. It speaks consistently of how that atonement is achieved through blood sacrifice. We need atonement for our sin! How do we get it? Now we are down to the fundamentals. Do you believe we are sinners and need atonement for our sin? I promise not to use the New Testament as you have many issues with it. I will only use the Old Testament to substantiate my points. I do not want to force you into using anything you don't totally believe in like the New Testament. It is only fair. Thank you for this conversation. It is a blessing for me to partake in it, and for others to watch and see its results. Sincerely, Steve