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To: shadowman who wrote (46652)	6/23/1998 1:13:00 PM
From: ViperChick Secret Agent 006.9	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 58727

Because you two have experienced the hardship of gruelling blue collar work, you've come to the conclusion that. 1. Unions are unreasonable Absolutely wrong conclusion my statement was in regard to kevin saying that I have never worked hard in my life so I couldnt possibly know what blue collar people go through and that other people in white collar positions dont go through the same grueling conditions... although i can say that I have never been exposed to many conditions out there that workers are exposed to AND I dont want to be exposed to them and I would never want to go through what Doctors go through in doing their residency.. not only physically but mentally...especially the humiliation and verbal abuse they go through (although law students would say they have already been through that, especially with the teachers that believe in the Socratic method...ever seen the Paper Chase...yes those kinds of things do happen) DO I say there should be no unions??? no but I do say some of them are unreasonable and any union that says a worker should sit on his butt and do no work and earn 50 dollars an hour.. instead of helping out is unreasonable to me..and some union rules say that... as I would say any person who does not work and sits on his butt while others slave away is unreasonable...union or not.. Therefore, we should feel badly for the non-union blue collar workers and criticize the progress (gains) that unionized workers have enjoyed, through collective bargaining, as unreasonable. not exactly but I do say that as kevin goes on about the horrible conditions that blue collar unionized workers live through there are non unionized blue collar workers that go through the same thing and are paid ALOT less and there are non unionized white collar workers who go through the same thing and are paid ALOT less ------ btw, the legal services organization that works for the autoworkers giving them free legal service requires that you drive to work with those kinds of cars out of respect to the autoworkers I thought that was interesting so no Mazdas for the lawyers but the autoworkers can drive to work in a Mazda

To: shadowman who wrote (46652)	6/23/1998 2:47:00 PM
From: Constant Reader	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 58727

OT Dennis, Kevin, Lurkers and Other personae non gratae: A copy of what originally appeared in this post may be available upon request via private mail, or may be reposted at a later date. None of this excuses Lisa's behavior. Lisa is best pitied and any comments she makes about anything unrelated to options is best ignored. Take care, Randy

To: shadowman who wrote (46652)	6/23/1998 9:55:00 PM
From: Dwight E. Karlsen	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 58727

NIce try, Dennis, but the subject was the GM strike. I stand by my prior comments on that issue.

To: shadowman who wrote (46652)	6/23/1998 11:51:00 PM
From: Dwight E. Karlsen	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 58727

Dennis, what I meant by "nice try" was that you took my comments in re this specific GM strike, and extrapolated them into: Lets see if I've got this right?? Because you two have experienced the hardship of gruelling blue collar work, you've come to the conclusion that. 1. Unions are unreasonable 2. Non union workers do not seem to enjoy the benefits (wages, working conditions), that union workers have (abused?). 3. Therefore, we should feel badly for the non-union blue collar workers and criticize the progress (gains) that unionized workers have enjoyed, through collective bargaining, as unreasonable. in re extrapolation 1: I said "the GM union representing the Flint, MI factories", not "unions", period. in re extrapolation 2: you seem to be hinting that unions "enjoy the benefits (wages, working conditions)". it's like this: the average american worker, both blue and white collar working stiffs, just aren't going to be able to muster up a whole lot of sympathy for folks being in the plight of making $90K in compensation for operating machinery, no matter how demanding the schedule is. If it's such a bad bargain, why don't those folks simply quit and find a better job, instead of going on strike? probably because they would be hard pressed to find a better job. in re extrapolation 3: lisa and I weren't asking anyone to feel bad for us. I for one would jump at the chance to climb up on a combine that lisa was driving, and share the view of the wheat field for a turn around the field.