Marty (and all true TSIG investors),
I am a long term investor in TSIG. Caught up with the TSIG posts over
the past three days, and was dismayed to see that you had directly
responded to someone named Wiseowl. I have enjoyed reading about your
experience, DD and patient investing style in your posts over the last
two months. However, getting pulled down into the muck (even if it was,
as you stated, the last time), really isn't your style.
To recognize the level of credibility regarding the participants of
these posts, I have performed my own DD of the posts and responses. To
establish an objective of fairness and objectivity, I include verbatim
actual posts or excerpts. For reference purposes, they are numbered #1 -
#. Also included are my brief comments on the content of the posts.
To all that read this post, please do so in the spirit of fairness and
objectivity. Also, AS LONG AS YOU READ THIS POST IN ITS ENTIRETY, I
welcome comments from anyone who may disagree with my interpretation of
the posts.
<<TSIG #1
To: Wiseowl (1486 )
From: Martin E. Frankel Saturday, Jun 27 1998 2:00PM ET
Reply # of 1550
Ladies and Gentleman of the TSIG forum:
Please excuse the following post. Most of you know me to be a gentleman
trying to exchange information. I am not a market maker or employed by
one. I am not employed by nor do I receive any compensation from TSIG or
any other company. I am not a professional poster or hypster for as I
believe I previously stated, over 95% of my investments are handled by
paid hedge fund managers and advisors. This small amount of investing I
do on my own is for my pleasure... and, frankly, in general I enjoy SI
and have done well investing on my own... not every one a winner, but
the majority are... at least to achieve a good 6 figure account. And,
IMHO, TSIG is going to be a big winner.
However, this person "Wiseowl" has stepped over the line of decorum.
<< How many times do I have to say this?
FACT: TSIG has dropped 75% since I started posting here.
Will anyone comment on that or are all your heads in a very dark place?
>>
You don't have to say it any longer. We all have made our own decisions
and we all have eyes. In fact, it is you who should have his head in a
"very dark place." Owls can see well only in the dark and I have just
now figured out why my "little" office is covered with feathers, blood,
and guts. You fixed the fan in your bedroom during the daytime!! I guess
with the bright light your "head" got sucked into the blades!! Perhaps
if you keep trying to make some money in the market you'll be able to
get your wife some central air-conditioning.
Yes, I have a comment... especially after looking at your profile and
posts. If you're so "good", would you like to show us your monthly
brokerage statements (I mean the actual ones... not ones you type in a
post) so we can all see and learn? But, if it's under 7 figures don't
waste my time. My net worth can be verified by my tax attorneys or my
CPA firm, so don't play any more games. I certainly don't mean this to
appear as bragging or "puffing", but at least I put my money where my
mouth is. Unfortunately, you have difficulty talking since you "lost
your head" in the fan. If you can't afford A/C, maybe you can afford to
buy a new fan with your next great "score."
I suggested earlier not responding to you and will not respond to any
further posts of yours and suggest others do likewise. I have no
objection to hearing commentary that is questioning in nature regarding
any company, but people such as yourself who just come onto a forum (and
not just this one) to bash... well, I guess you have an excuse. You lost
your head in the fan blades!
Very truly,
Marty >>
<<TSIG #2
To: Martin E. Frankel (1492 )
From: Wiseowl Saturday, Jun 27 1998 2:33PM ET
Reply # of 1550
Well, Mr. Frankel, you have taken a lot of time to ATTACK ME.
First of all, why do you think I don't have central air conditioning,
just because I have a fan? Where I live, the heat index gets up to above
115. We have central air conditioning and fans in most rooms.
So, already I know your powers of logic are fairly weak.
Secondly, which other threads are you talking about where I go to
"bash"? Please tell me and post proof before making wild accusations
against me.
Thirdly, why do you have the arrogance to ask me to post my brokers'
statements. Do you post your's? You seem very proud of your SIX figure
portfolio, but tell me that if mine is not at least SEVEN figures then
somehow I am an inferior person. Why are you so hypocritical?
I still believe that TSIG might be a pump and dump operation. If you
have read all my posts, you would see that I have personal experience in
this area. My only motive for posting here is to warn potential
investors that all the hype on this thread may not be true. As always,
just my very humble opinion and do your own research.>>
<<TSIG #3
To: BigAppleBoy (1473 )
From: Wiseowl Saturday, Jun 27 1998 12:57PM ET
Reply # of 1551
<<He is been doing the same thing at MTEI,TCBG,PNLK and god knows where
else.I like to know what for.>>
BIGAPPLEBOY, you are a big fat liar boy. I have never posted on MTEI or
PLNK. Post the links here if I'm wrong, otherwise stop spreading your
lies. I don't even know what MTEI or PLNK are.>>
<<TSIG (Excerpt)#4
To: gambler (1476 )
From: Wiseowl Saturday, Jun 27 1998 12:49PM ET
Reply # of 1551
Why do you spend so much time researching my post? Are you stalking me?
***>>
COMMENT: The person known as Wiseowl has challenged several people on
this thread accusing him of bashing stocks other than TSIG.
From post #2 <<Secondly, which other threads are you talking about where
I go to "bash"? Please tell me and post proof before making wild
accusations against me.>> Since this request for evidence of proof was
posted to anyone reading the TSIG thread, I accept it as permission to
research the person known as Wiseowl's posts, and will not acknowledge
anyone trying to identify me as a "stalker".
I reviewed the person known as Wiseowl's posts from June, and quite
frankly, could not find any examples of stock bashing other than TSIG.
Marty, one of the many things I respect about you is your ability to
acknowledge your error and get on with life. Unless you or anyone else
can provide proof, I suggest you owe the person known as Wiseowl an
apology.
In your post #1 <<However, this person "Wiseowl" has stepped over the
line of decorum.>>
and . . .
<<well, I guess you have an excuse. You lost your head in the fan
blades!>>
"stepped over the line of decorum", " . . . excuse . . . lost your head
. . .". Marty, you have too much class to talk like this. Please, please
leave this stuff to the young Turks and Turkesses.
However, let's see some examples of how the person known as Wiseowl
supports <<However, this person "Wiseowl" has stepped over the line of
decorum.>>
<<TCBG (Excerpt) #5
To: Earl Falwell (366 )
From: Wiseowl Saturday, Jun 27 1998 12:05PM ET
Reply # of 425
***
I don't give a damn about your opinion, you really are a pompous,
arrogant person.>>
From post #3 <<BIGAPPLEBOY, you are a big fat liar boy.>>
<<TCBG #6
To: Beeblebrox (337 )
From: Wiseowl Thursday, Jun 25 1998 6:34PM ET
Reply # of 425
I was repeating what Lord Falwell said. He implied I was wining. I like
to wine and dine, that's why I'm about 15lbs heavier than I would like
to be. >>
COMMENT: Sounds to me like the pot (belly) calling the kettle black.
From post #1: <<I am not a professional poster or hypster for as I
believe I previously stated, over 95% of my investments are handled by
paid hedge fund managers and advisors. This small amount of investing I
do on my own is for my pleasure... and, frankly, in general I enjoy SI
and have done well investing on my own... not every one a winner, but
the majority are... at least to achieve a good 6 figure account.>>
From post #2: <<Thirdly, why do you have the arrogance to ask me to post
my brokers' statements. Do you post your's? You seem very proud of your
SIX figure portfolio, but tell me that if mine is not at least SEVEN
figures then somehow I am an inferior person. Why are you so
hypocritical?>>
COMMENT: I'm not a great math wiz, but was able to do this one WITHOUT a
calculator. 5% of portfolio is for self investing (1/20th). 6 figures in
the 5% portion. Let's be conservative - $100,000. Now let's multiply the
other 95% (19/20th) times $100,000 = $1,900,000. Hmmm, looks like 7
figures to me, but please somebody check my math.
A second example:
<<TSIG #7
To: WVMayor (1472 )
From: Wiseowl Saturday, Jun 27 1998 12:32PM ET
Reply # of 1552
Whatever you say, but it's true that TSIG has fallen 75% since I have
been warning people about this stock. I can prove it if you'd like.>>
<<TSIG #8
To: peacelover (1489 )
From: Wiseowl Saturday, Jun 27 1998 1:11PM ET
Reply # of 1552
Well, if you don't consider losing 75% of your money significant, then I
guess you really are a peace lover. Good luck to you, but beware of
shills! >>
COMMENT: Unfortunately could not find any evidence that peacelover
bought shares on exactly the same day the person known as Wiseowl
started posting on the TSIG thread. So the assumption ( ASS U ME) that
the investment advisor made has a high probability that the actual
reduction in stock price was either greater or less than 75%. Nor was it
established that the investor didn't buy more TSIG at recent price
levels to dollar cost average down. Again, if you are going to advise an
investor or present a challenge to an investor, having basic math skills
will support credibility.
To the person known as Wiseowl, you are certainly not an inferior
person, you just have inferior math skills. To go with your inferior
person to person skills.
Now we're seeing a pattern. Let's see if we can draw to three of a kind.
What about the qualities and skills that make a person credible as a
dispenser of sound investment advice? Well, there is the SI profile.
Since the contributors to this thread can easily access and read it,
there is no need to post it here. You can individually learn about that
person's experience, style and investment maturity. However, there are
several recent posts that are included in my DD.
<<TSIG #9
To: JEFF BERRY (1546 )
From: Wiseowl Monday, Jun 29 1998 10:54AM ET
Reply # of 1551
Jeff, thanks for all your leg work. I smelled a rat here several weeks
ago. Unfortunately, I got into a personal battle with some people on the
TSIG thread. However, it is personally satisfying to see that I might be
proven right here. Good Luck ... The feathered one >>
COMMENT: Or, might be proven wrong. In a few paragraphs we'll see
evidence of the investment advisor's ability to predict the future.
<<TSIG #10
To: Brett Fleischman (855 )
From: Wiseowl Monday, Jun 1 1998 10:27AM ET
Reply # of 1552
OK, I'll check back with y'all in a month. Bye>>
COMMENT: Well, this is a commitment that obviously was honored. For the
longs in the audience, could we post the closing price on July 1, July
31 and September 1. That way the person known as Wiseowl can check back
with y'all without wasting too much of his investment advisor time.
<<TCBG #11
To: Earl Falwell (323 )
From: Wiseowl Thursday, Jun 25 1998 5:05PM ET
Reply # of 425
<<We will continue this slow and steady upward movement >>
?? Since I bought on Monday at 1 13/32, it has steadily moved DOWN, now
to 1 1/8.>>
<<To: AlienTech (11508 ) #12
From: Wiseowl Friday, Jun 26 1998 4:58PM ET
Reply # of 11541
APM UP FOUR DAYS IN A ROW!!!! Lucifer has frostbite in his extremities
and my portfolio is up today when it would be down without APM in it! Go
APM, go APM! I'm only down 84% instead of 85% now.>>
<<TCBG #13
To: Earl Falwell (328 )
From: Wiseowl Thursday, Jun 25 1998 5:50PM ET
Reply # of 425
I'm more tempted to cut my losses by selling half. If this company is
going to be as great as some claim, then my other half should easily
recoup my losses in six months. If not, then I didn't lose as much. I
shouldn't mess with these small caps. I usually get burned.>>
COMMENTS: "I shouldn't mess with these small caps. I usually get
burned."
Anybody want to take free investment advice from the person known as
Wiseowl? I'm reminded of a former business associate who became a
millionaire by starting with $10 million. Well, we have now established
that the person known as Wiseowl is also an inferior investor. A
remarkable three of a kind. He does, however, get extra credit for his
tagline " do your own research." That's one bit of advice I took to heart.
In conclusion, I will not respond to any direct or indirect
communication from the person known as Wiseowl. I believe I've already
learned as much from him as possible. |
