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To: IN_GOD_I_TRUST who wrote (18526)	6/28/1998 1:20:00 AM
From: Alan Markoff	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

Secondly, a Christian would say, get on your knees, and ask God for the truth. Pray about it with a open heart and mind. He will tell you the truth. These two steps get you easily through this crap. Thanks Steve; Alan

To: IN_GOD_I_TRUST who wrote (18526)	6/28/1998 2:41:00 AM
From: Raymond James Norris	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 39621

Steve - Unfortunately calling it pitiful doesn't make it so. The fact remains Christmas and Easter were derived from other Pagan holidays. This you admit. So the question arises if they were willing to adopt Pagan holidays to entice the Pagans to convert, would they have been willing to adopt Pagan beliefs to entice them to convert? I noticed you didn't mention the 20 or so similarities Jesus' (Pbuh) life has with the life with other gods and goddesses. From Buddha to the Mithra, sun gods to goddess, Jesus (Pbuh) crucifixion and ressurection have already been told in Pagan Beliefs. It was nothing "new" to hear of a savior sent to die for mankind's sins. How is it that Osiris, for example, has the same details in his life as Jesus (Pbuh)? Why were they both believed to have died for mankind's sins? Why does the list go on from Osiris to hundreds of others? Why did Jesus (Pbuh) never talk about his upcoming death for mankind's sins? Did he think it wasn't important? Why have you yet to address the contradictions which exist in the Bible? Are you comfortable with believing in the Bible and the Contradictions? If you don't answer anything in this post, please answer the last 2 questions. Peace and Blessings of God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful, Be Upon You. Ray

To: IN_GOD_I_TRUST who wrote (18526)	6/28/1998 10:16:00 AM
From: Emile Vidrine	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 39621

"Another example, Christ's birth, December 25. Well educated Christians (true Christians) know Christ's birthday was not December 25. It was probably sometime in August or October if my memory serves me well (I am not sure if these are the two months that were determined). That date was chosen by Constantine, a Roman Catholic leader trying to fold the pagans into Roman Catholism (or what he called Christianity). Pagans had there Winter Soltice celebration then so he figured Christmas could be overlaid on top of this celebration, and bingo, pagans would jump on the band wagon easier into his Roman Catholism. It was the same as Easter. The Jewish Passover was the holiday which Jesus last supper, death and resurrection was celebrated in the early church. Constantine decided to use his pagan celebration to Ishtar, the Spring God, to overlay the Passover celebration. Hence you got Easter, from Ishtar, and the pagans still had there holiday. " Steve, I know from your past writings that you love truth. This is why I find it hard to understand how you can put out such false words. "Easter" and Christman were celebrated long before Constantine came on the scene. The term "Easter" was never used in the Greek and Latin language. The term in both language is Pascha or Passover. The Jewish Apostles established the Christian celebration of Pascha. There is also some evidence from early Church Fathers writings that the birth of Jesus was also celebrate by the early disciples. Easter is simly the anglicized word for Pasca. Your contentions are "Chick comic book" theology and not historical truth. Constantine was a Christian. I would strongly advise you to read Eusebius's personal account of Constantine and his conversion and Christiane beliefs. When you beginning judging confessed Christines you are wadding out in very deep spiritual water. Constantine's wife was a Celtic Brition who also was a Christian. She was a holy believer who did much to spread the faith. Constantine's conversion caused him much grief with the overwhelmingly pagan Roman Aristocrats and the Roman Senate. It would have been to his political advantage no to publicly announced his conversion but he did. To falsely judge dead Christians to appease the politcally correct crowd is just as judging falsely judging the living. Pascha and Christmass have always been holy holidays in the Christian Church. Pascha or "Easter" week is the celebration of the new passover, the Crucifixion and Resurrection of Jesus. The power presents of the Holy Spirit during these celebration is evident enough of their validity. You are in serious error with the words you have spoken against Pascha

To: IN_GOD_I_TRUST who wrote (18526)	6/29/1998 12:41:00 AM
From: O'Hara	Read Replies (4) \| Respond to of 39621

><>.Steve, you are exactly right about Christmas and Easter.><> I will expound greatly upon this on the morrow. But you have said the truth my friend. Pagans would like to believe that we, Christians, celebrate these Two high Christian days in memory of some laughable, pitiful pagan god Ha, but in actually it is they who hypocritically sit down to a Christmas and or Resurrection feast and celebration....while all along denying Christ and filling their bellies, which are their gods. They always want it both ways.! Will continue tomorrow. Also as to your date, the season is also correct, I will show the proof from the inerrant word of God...Praise His Holy Name, His truths are forever revealed.! Have a most blessed day in our Lord Shalom...><>