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To: John Mansfield who wrote (2074)	6/29/1998 5:43:00 PM
From: John Mansfield	Respond to of 9818

'...but will you have a dial tone? Who knows.' 'On Sat, 27 Jun 1998 10:40:24, Robert and Frances Egan <egan263@nospam_allowed.ix.netcom.com> wrote: > webmaster@lucidimages.com wrote:> > > > > > > > chicago.tribune.com > > >> > > > The statement does not say they are compliant. It says they are running new > > "2000-compliant code." Why do they have 100 employees and outside consultants > > assigned to the project if the project is completed?> > Cleanup. Documentation. Vendor/customer interfaces. Embedded systems. > Desktop apps.> > Vanguard will undoubtedly squeeze as much additional work out of these > guys as they can. Still, I expect there will be more personnel available > in Valley Forge in the near future.Bob, We've seen this happen several times already. The purchase of a compliant 'package' somehow is interpreted to be 'the entire organization is Y2K ready.' Or a 'plan showing SUCCESS in early 1999' is proof that the problem is solved. At the risk of chewing the same old stuff, we all knew that the Telco's were compliant 6 months ago. There were lots of reports to that effect. The information now is, the vendors of switches are promising Y2K compliant upgrades sometime, really, really soon, maybe in a 9 months or so, just hold your breath. And... oh yes, a Telco spoke at a WDC Y2K meeting, they've got big problems... they're pressing hard, spending but bucks but will you have a dial tone? Who knows. Vanguard compliant? I doubt it. I know nothing about them but there is no evidence that anyone is that far along. None of this stuff is what it appears to be. It's all spin doctor'ed, homogenized, and blended with lots of sugar. I would be overjoyed to hear some good news but I haven't heard it yet. If it does happen, it will come from 1) USAA Insurance, 2) Fannie Mae, 3) Bank Boston, 4) Fidelity Investments.... possibly in that order.cory hamasaki 551 days ____ Subject: Re: Major securities firm already Y2K compliant From: kiyoinc@ibm.XOUT.net (cory hamasaki)Date: 1998/06/29 Message-ID: <7kepWhCNP4qd-pn2-NdVuDCihGeSm@localhost> Newsgroups: comp.software.year-2000[More Headers] [Subscribe to comp.software.year-2000]

To: John Mansfield who wrote (2074)	6/29/1998 5:46:00 PM
From: John Mansfield	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 9818

'90 percent of them gave the idea of remediation the old horse-laugh... ' 'On Sun, 28 Jun 1998 15:29:35, fedinfo@halifax.com wrote: > In article <#5rnzujo9GA.172@upnetnews05>, > "Jeffrey G. Bane" <brooksbane@msn.com> wrote:> > > > jbaloun@my-dejanews.com wrote in message> > > > >Whenever humans are involved, the actual event usually unfolds in a way > > other > > >than expected due to both negative and positive unforseen random actions. > >> > I agree. We ALL will be surprised at the actual crisis. From Milne (one > > syllable) to bks and Don Scott. NO ONE knows. No flames from this end.> > > > > Of course there will be surprises. There always are. Al Gore might develop a > personality. But there will be NO surprises that leave me without food at > the onset, or water, or defenses. On the other hand the Pollyannas will be > holding their hands on the sides of their stunned faces.> > To say that know one knows exactly what will happen is not to say that it is > impossible to arrive at the conclusion that there is going to be a collapse. > Not knowing the 'specifics' of the collapse is not the same thing as > recognizing that 'in general' it is going to be bad. Pollyannas comfort > themselves with expressions like 'knowbody knows'. Just like the ostrich is > comforted with not knowing because of it's self induced sensory deprivation > with it's head in the sand.> > The sad thing is that the Pollyannas, despite the manifest evidence that not > enough is being done, chose to believe that no really bad thing will happen. > And they are willing to gamble their children's life on it.> Last post for a while, I got some crisis work to handle.... When I say that the results are not computable, I'm thinking about that little pendulum toy, it's a swinging weight but the weight is iron and there are two small magnets glued to the base. Instead of a simple harmonic motion, back and forth, this thing wobbles and bobbles all over the place in an unpredictable fashion. Simple forces, normally predictable but unpreditable. What we do know is that Y2K will break the systems. At this point, there is no possiblity of fixing enough of the software to maintain the status quo. Dick posted Peter de Jager's statements that with the right leadership, adequate funding, a setting of priorities, the systems could be fixed. I don't know if this is an old quote, a misquote, or if Peter has taken leave of his senses. Over a year ago, I did a survey of all the large systems experts I know. 90 percent of them gave the idea of remediation the old horse-laugh (Shmuel was one of them.) I also surveyed some light-weights, you know the type, 3 years of experience or perhaps the same 3 years of experience 5 times. You can't tell them that they're the C-team and that clown over there is the A-team... I generally treat C-teamer's and A-teamer's with the same respect (or lack there of.) Anyway, where I'm going with this is I know, to a 90% certainty, that the systems will fail. I also know that the systems are important and that the failures will cause hardships... something wicked this way comes. (a screaming comes, it has come before, it will come again.) What I don't know is the nature and extent of the hardship. For example, it is not obvious that this will play out as depicted in Rawles' novel which is like "the Postman". There're lots of other possibilities... slavery, or a theocracy, or Mother Earth News meets Paul Bunyon, how about a pandemic that takes the population down to 30 percent and a matriarchy. For some reason, we in c.s.y2k are focused on food and guns... maybe that's a spill over from misc.survivalist-nutcase. We should be fixated on bleach, soap, and lilac scented hot baths. > Paul Milne cory hamasaki 551 days, the phrase for the week is "E Coli 0157" ____ 'Subject: Re: Stability in Y2K Discussions From: kiyoinc@ibm.XOUT.net (cory hamasaki)Date: 1998/06/29 Message-ID: <7kepWhCNP4qd-pn2-ifCddmjl8sWw@localhost> Newsgroups: comp.software.year-2000[More Headers] [Subscribe to comp.software.year-2000]