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To: Robert E. Hall who wrote (18626)	6/29/1998 9:07:00 AM
From: Emile Vidrine	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 39621

Greetings Robert, I love your biblical definition of Christians as "partakers of the divine nature" Being partakers of the divine nature transforms ourr view of the natural world and opens a window that alows us to peek into the spiritual world. The natural man cannot see or understand the spiritual things that a Christian man sees or understands. Their knowledge of things are limited to sense and carnal knowledge whereas Christians have been given spiritual eyes that can receive both revelation knowledge from God's Word as well as direct communications God's Holy Spirit to their recreated human spirits. Now are the sons of God. But it is also true that we possess these spiritual treasures in a weak earthen vessel. This new man can still taste and be influences by this carnal vessel. So, the carnal life of the world is still in our flesh and never stops calling us back to our carnal roots. This is the daily spiritual warfare that Christians experience. When our minds and emotions are in the spirit, we are in fact in the Kingdom of God. But when our minds and emotions are pulled into carnal and worldly matters, we are in the kingdom of satan. It is possible to participate in worldly matters without letting our spirist share the emotions and lusts of these canral matters. That is our daily battle. To be in the world but not to be part of this false kingdom. Paul expalins this battle with these words: 18: For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not. 19: For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do. 20: Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. 21: I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me. 22: For I delight in the law of God after the inward man: 23: But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. 24: O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death? 25: I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin. So, how do we overcome our vessel of flesh? Paul says: "who shall deliver me fro mthe body of this death? I thank God through Jesus Chirst our Lord. The answer is in Jesus. But how does Jesus deliver us from this body of death and sin? 5: For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: 6: Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. 7: For he that is dead is freed from sin. "I am crucified with Christ never the less I live; yet not I , but Christ liveth in me: and the life twhich I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me." Glory and praises to God our father and the Lord Jesus Christ now and forever. He has freed us from sin and given us eternal life---made us partakers of his Divine Nature. May you and yours experience alll the blessings of the Cross Emile

To: Robert E. Hall who wrote (18626)	6/30/1998 10:23:00 PM
From: Gregory D. John	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

Robert, At the risk of confusion, I'd like to pursue with you two distinct but related (via Emile) threads. The first thread is the original question of why Emile is so despised and reviled (e.g., #reply-5046792). 1. Does Emile believe that the "white race" is superior? 2. Does Emile harbor any ill will towards modern Jews? 3. Does Emile think that the Holocaust did not occur? The second thread is the question of what Christians "should do". If you were to make a list, what would it be? Also, I would be interested in hearing you expand on your ideas about the necessity of losing one's flesh (metaphorically - the sins or desires of the flesh) in order to gain eternal life (metaphorically - being at one with God). I note that we must consider these things first as metaphor, otherwise we may make the same "mistakes" as the flagellants or consider justifications for trial-by-ordeal (hmmm... I think that's what I wanted to refer to). Perhaps at a latter stage of enlightenment, metaphor will not be required... or perhaps it will transcend metaphor to become "reality". Who knows? :-) Greg