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To: Steelguy who wrote (18709)	7/1/1998 2:54:00 PM
From: Raymond James Norris	Read Replies (4) \| Respond to of 39621

are you saying that Paul abolished the commandments? please explain because if you believe that then you have really missed the point of almost the whole new testament. Just one of the countless examples of this placement of the words of Paul above the words of Jesus can be seen in the following analysis: Jesus (pbuh) is claimed to have been prepared for his sacrifice on the cross from the beginning of time and was a willing victim (otherwise we would have to claim that God is a sadistic and torturous God who forced Jesus into such a savage end). However, whenever Jesus (pbuh) was asked about the path to "eternal life" he consistently told his followers to only "keep the commandments" and nothing more (Matthew 19:16-21, John 14:15, John 15:10). Not once did he himself ever mention an original sin or a redemption. Even when pressed for the path to "PERFECTION" he only told his followers to sell their belongings. He departed this earth leaving his followers with the very dire threat: "For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven." Matthew 5:18-19. Now, lets look at what Paul said: In the end, Paul decided that all the commandments of God through Moses (pbuh) which Jesus (pbuh) had kept faithfully till the crucifixion and which the apostles had also kept were all worthless decaying and ready to vanish away and faith was all that was required, thereby completely nullifying everything his "Lord" Jesus had taught and practiced during his lifetime. "Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law." Romans 3:28 He decided that the laws of Moses (pbuh) (e.g. "thou shalt not steal, thou shalt not kill, ...etc.") which Jesus (pbuh) had taught the faithful during his lifetime were a "curse" upon them and no longer necessary, "Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law." Galatians 3:13 "And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law(Gentiles), as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law" 1 Corinthians 9:20 and "...I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some" 1 Corinthians 9:22 and "...all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any." 1 Corinthians 6:12 So it's clear that Paul is responsible for breaking the Mosaic Law which had been in effect even after Jesus' (Pbuh) departure. Why is it when asked for eternal salvation, Jesus (Pbuh) did not mention the crucifixion or the atonement for sin? Did he forget it? Why did Jesus only reply the Keeping of the Laws was neccessary? It's strange for me to see Paul introducing many of the strongest beleifs in Christianity yet he never knew Jesus (Pbuh). Why didn't Jesus teach his own disciples about the ressurection or crucifixion? Why did he not teach his disciples about Not having to keep the Old Laws? Why were the most important tenets of Christianity saved only for Paul?? Ray