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To: MGV who wrote (3250)7/3/1998 8:24:00 AM
From: Mark Johnson  Respond to of 27311
 
Response To Mark Visnic from Yahoo Thread

You have presented an interesting treatment which seems to focus entirely on taking serious investors to the wood shed because they choose to remain invested in this issue in the face of adversity.

You wrote, "One can adopt a callous approach to the spector of people losing money in detrimental reliance on professional manipulators. For the moment at least, I am choosing not to be so callous." I
would like to take a moment to examine this quotation in light of the entire communication.

I find it significant that you have not addressed those who's sole purpose seems to be to flit from thread to thread, first hyping a stock and how well it will do, pumping, then remain with the thread on
the way down, inducing panic and fear, hoping the price will fall enough to scare the unseasoned investor into selling into a loss. You have not criticized the pump and dump artist. Why not? Those
you have addressed on this thread have been holding this stock as investors in anticipation of possible future events, regardless of the short term implications. These folks you accuse of being professional
manipulators. Why?

"For the moment at least, I am choosing not to be so callous," you write, and your words betray you. Your position is simply momentary. In some future moment you will be "..so callous..." By your own
words, I can presume that you certainly, inevitably, WILL be "...SO CALLOUS..." How do I know? You said so. Situation ethics. Hyperbole.

Your words betray your insincerity. You don't care about those who may be misled. You hope to mislead them into thinking that you are deep and have great wisdom. Sorry child, been there, seen that. You ain't all that, or a bag of chips. You are not down with the homies on this thread either, with your one sided argument. In short, that dog won't hunt.

You were pegged on the SI thread. There is no reason to think you will have any more success here. Can't imagine you would ever hold VLNC long enough for your broker to call you 'long.'

Oh... By the way....

Buckle Up! POSEUR

M

You wouldn't happen to live in Indiana County, PA would you?



To: MGV who wrote (3250)7/3/1998 10:43:00 AM
From: John Curtis  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 27311
 
Mark: Hmmmmm.....Can't really argue much with your rationale regarding "investing." Tis only a logical point of view, and one to which all(imho) subscribe. My only surprise is you think what you're promulgating is new and meant to "save the lambs?" HEH!! I don't take issue with it at all, but the messianic twist you bring to this thread is very interesting indeed, thanks for caring. ;-)

Meanwhile, as for the "promotors" of VLNC, not to mention alll the other stock threads that do the same.....well......I can't fault enthusiasm over potential since I don't see the threadster's here in the same dark light you envision. That aside, what people say behind pseudonym's is interesting, but, as for me, if I don't hear it from the mouths of the corporation, itself, and in a public, recordable forum, welllllll, let's just say ALLL is suspect. And by the way, even if from the mouths of said corporation, it can STILL be held suspect since I can point to endless examples of business subterfuge. So, having said that, just WHAT has come out of VLNC's mouth? Well, if you heard the call, or read the synopsis, then you know. I can understand your concern over the 10K, it's what caused me to jump into the conference call conversation in a less than well planned manner in the first place. When hit point blank about certain pages of commentary in the 10K it became clear VLNC had only focused on the financial section of it, most of the rest was treated as boilerplate and thus duplicated from prior 10K postings. I know, I know, "jeeeeez, just LOOOK at what that say's about the management!!" Well, yes and no. I've seen this happen time and time again with other issues more "respectable" than VLNC, too. But don't take my word for it, examine some of your other issues back 10K's for yerself. And quite frankly, keeping the verbage as extreme in it's "going concern," retooling(which is what they've spent the last year doing), manner, is acceptable to me because they've YET to prove COMMERCIAL viability of product, although their "beta tests" with OEM's have, from the mouth of the corporate folk, met with success. So better to err on the side of the conservative nature of the 10K, rather than risk a repeat visit from that wonderful subterranean(my interpretation of course, heh) tribe known as the legal profession.

Ah, well, but we sit here "sipping coffee" over little, me thinks, since when dealing with such a speculative issue as VLNC currently is, all point's of view are valid, eh? As for me, I'm hopeful they're actually gonna pull it off and be one of the first manufacturers to mass manufacture Lith-poly batteries. As a prior poster has stated, VLNC may be at that light at the end of a loooong 2 year tunnel. On a parenthetical aside, I'm currently accessing the "net" from an xDSL line, and need I say having T-1 speeds(asymmetric though it is) over twisted pair in a residential home is sweeeeeeeeet!!!!!!

Regards!

John~



To: MGV who wrote (3250)7/3/1998 5:11:00 PM
From: Mark Johnson  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 27311
 
To: Mark Visnic from Yahoo Thread (Excuse typing errors)

You are right about one thing. It takes time to post these messages. What does that have to do with anything?

Please spell it out for me. Here is what I want to know:

A: Enumerate clearly the flaws in VLNC. Be precise, concise, and to the point.

B: Point out to me where I have expressed to you an analysis of LD messages and/or how you can assume that you know what I have read into his messages, and how you came to the conclusion that I have a garbled understanding of his messages.

C: What is your point? re: "My point is clear: It takes time to write posts. Time is dear. For the moment, I've chosen to engage in debate on this thread. Now try again to understand the context of
"for the moment." You used words which specifically delineate time "...for the moment..." and which imply that within that time frame your point of view differs from a presupposed norm. ie: 'For the
moment I will address you.' When the moment ends, I am no longer addressing you. You wrote, "For the moment at least, I am choosing not to be so callous." Can this be more clear? When the moment ends, IMO, you may choose to or revert to being callous. Logically, that can lead one to presume that you could also be a member of the group of 'professional manpulators' you are chiding.

D: Enumerate my 'assumptions' if they differ from what I clearly stae hence. Insofar as my reading of postings on this thread are concerned, the consensous of opionion is that one should not be invested
in any stock without doing one's homework, and making up one's mind independently from any opinion given by anyone, anywhere. I never presume to know which of you have not done your DD nor will I presume to know where anyones funds come from. I choose to presume that each person is involved in the process of their own free will. Therefore,
each is responsible for themselves, as I am responsible for myself. I am bound, however, by a value system. That value system tell me to do no harm. To tell it like it is. Please tell me where you find this
to be in error.

E:You state that the difference between you and dkctx is the degree of expectation. Can I presume from your statement that you fully expect Valence to fail? Does this mean that you can find no reason to believe that they can succeed? If so. Say so. Then give your reasons. Where dkctx has hopes for the best while he fears the worst, are you telling us that you have see no hope? Spell it out. Many
have doubts. Some, like noway, have doubts, telling us that the market is telling him to wait, while simultaneously engagin in trading the issue. Complex, isn't it? Some, like myself, view my choice to
trade as an affirmation of the process of the market. Valence is simply an available stock with which one can trade. The market is the message.

F: I invite you to enlighten us. If you have some knowledge as to a more certain stock investment,please do not hesitate to inform us.

G: I am waiting for you to address the pump and dump sector. And those who will enter a thread and muck about to find short term profit, then disappear.

I continue to own shares in this company. Shares that I freely purchased on the open market. I understand that being invested in this stock involves risk, and that this issue is HIGLY SPECULATIVE. I have seen the value of my stock increase and decrease and have had no input in setting the daily price on the exchange. I recommend that anyone with doubts, do not purchase any stock until/unless you fully recognize the risks associated with the process of stock ownership/investing.

Buckle Up!

M