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To: PROLIFE who wrote (18759)	7/3/1998 1:13:00 PM
From: Raymond James Norris	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

I love how you started doing this only after being called out on it!! This is a lie. By law in Islam, it is required of me to say Peace Be Unto Him after any Prophet of God (Abraham, Moses, Noah, Jesus, David, etc. PBUA). In one of my posts I forgot it after one mention of Jesus (Pbuh) and was hounded upon it. Now I reread each post to make sure I don't forget it again. I might add it's more than you are doing for Jesus (Pbuh) in this forum. You just contiunually ignore all the proof that has been put forth . Jesus has always been with the Father, and you just continue to ignore it. This is a practice in self deception. The question was not whether Jesus (Pbuh) had always been with the Father. The question was whether Jesus (Pbuh) ever said that he was the Father. I find your continuing attempts to direct attention elsewhere amusing. Your titus deal is weak.....do we need to start going over all the contraditions in the Quaran again??? So you will have something to do? And here's where the Proof is drawn. I answered every "supposed" contradiction you listed (even though that was not a subject and even though you yourself had never checked out the Qur'an) and demonstrated that all contradictions you list are only derived from someone's ignorance of the Qur'an. I know you don't have a copy of the Qur'an so you didn't take the time to check any of them to see if they had merit. I, on the other hand, posted just a few contradictions (maybe 5) and not one of them were ever answered. I get no mention of them in replies and it seems people cannot answer them at all (but are content to believe that some type of answer exists within the Christian world of "Scholars" without ever realizing the "Scholars" admit the errors). So if a man of the own people of Crete says what they are(verse 12) and Paul agrees with that statement(verse 13) how is that a paradox. This particular verse is known in Logic. In other words this is not my interpretation. Go to any Professor and ask him about the "Ephimidimes Paradox" and see what he tells you. It's known throughout the World as the classic example of what is known in Logic as "Meaningless Statements." The statement has no truth content. Paul said that the Cretian was not lying. It's not possible. Because if the Cretian was not lying, then Cretians don't always lie. If the Cretian was lying then Paul was mistaken by his comment in the 13th verse. I know you don't care enough to think through this with me but for anyone esle, please consider this: Verse 12 of Titus has a Cretian's statement which says "Cretians always lie." Paul says the Cretian spoke the truth. Well, if the Cretian spoke the truth, then the Cretian's statement is false. The Statement has no truth content. It cannot be false and it cannot be true. This, DCF, is just one logical contradiction. There are disputes in the Bible on when Jesus (Pbuh) died (Mark 15:25 (crucified by third hour) John 19:14 (not crucified by sixth hour), how many days were between his resurection and ascension to Heaven (Paul says there were 40 Days between the events and Luke says Jesus (Pbuh) went directly to Heaven). The fact that there is manipulation by the Translators from the Greek to English text is by no fault yours, but the errors are still present to lead you towards questioning the Bible. Either way, the errors persist whether or not you choose to acknowledge them. Since you refuse to answer one, how can I expect you to answer 2? It's clear from your actions that you can answer any of them. Ray