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To: Zoltan! who wrote (23374)	7/8/1998 4:48:00 PM
From: Rambi	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 108807

Z! A couple of things-- THe IBD study relies on two (unnamed) brands. And compares them based on the amounts (1/8 c) that qualifies as a serving size. First, whereas I think people do eat an 1/8 c. of salsa easily, if you handed me a spoon and an eighth of a cup of ketchup, I'd think you were crazy. Why does "pressure" from the SW have anything to do with anything? Why is this a negative? We DO eat salsa as a salad substitute here in Texas. (Our favorite restaurant serves salsa, guacamole and sour cream on shredded lettuce as its "salad" with the entree) I'm sitting here with my ketchup and salsa in front of me again! Let's look-this time with an eye to equalizing the serving size. 1/8 cup = 2 T. So I'll double the ketchup. There is no mention of Vitamin A on my ketchup, though my salsa has 8% (as opposed to IBD's nameless brand which they said had 2%)!!!!!!! And also there is 4% of MDR Vitamin C! Why, look! Salsa even has 2% iron! So what brands did IBD use??? Not the ones in my kitchen! My goodness!!!THis sounds like my point to CGB earlier about studies being easily manipulated! CAlories---ketchup 40, salsa 15 Sugar 6 g., salsa 2 Here IBD and I really part company. They say that the sugar gives a "little dash of extra energy" (don't they make it sound cute?)---baloney- sugar rushes wear off quickly and can leave you tired. It's one "benefit" I'd as soon my kids passed on. Sodium--ah yes--380 mg for ketchup, 260 for salsa. Isn't sodium one of those things we tend to get a lot of everywhere? Is it really an important ingredient? I really don't know--I'm asking. i thought it was kind of negative to get too much sodium. Somehow IBD lost credibility with me with this. It sounded to me as if they were trying to hard to disprove the other viewpoint. I think they really forced the facts into their own shape and I resent that. I think both salsa and ketchup are silly as far as vegies go, but so far I'm definitely voting with the salsa as the healthier winner. THis study---(theirs and mine)--is meaningless without knowing exactly how the gov't plans to define salsa. And ketchup. Comparing one brand to another is useless.

To: Zoltan! who wrote (23374)	7/10/1998 4:51:00 PM
From: Grainne	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 108807

Duncan, I think you have really gone off the deep end on this catsup vs. salsa debate. Salt and sugar are two things that Americans get too much of in their diets. To argue on one hand that catsup is a healthy food, and then to assert that it is healthy because it provides energy, i.e., sugar, would by the same argument make it perfectly acceptable to serve Snicker's bars to school children as the protein in their meal, because mixed up in the chocolate and caramel there are some peanuts! Of course, IBD is one of the most conservative publications I have ever read. They obviously don't care one whit whether the majority of America's children are healthy, and show that by their callous disregard for facts. My catsup is like Penni's, incidentally--much less nutritious than the one IBD claims to have analyzed. Since mine is organic and contains only natural ingredients, it is very difficult to believe that there is any which is much more beneficial to health. Why is it that the right wing seems to lie and twist the truth so much? Yesterday I saw Senator Ashcroft assert with a semi-straight face that the fact that 80% of the prisoners in a jail near him were incarcerated for nonviolent drug offenses meant that our drug policies were really effective. This is a mind set which I find really repugnant. I mean great, let's take parents away from their children, house and feed them for years at government expense, teach them all the tricks of really violent criminals in prison, give them a felony record so they will most likely NEVER really be able to start over legitimately, take them out of the tax base, and say that everything is great! Here is a column from our Sunday paper about California's Republican candidate for governor, Dan Lungren, and the dubious sources he used to assert that crime did not increase during the Great Depression. Sounds a little like IBD and the catsup caper: sfgate.com