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To: capitalistbeatnik who wrote (18933)	7/9/1998 1:21:00 AM
From: Jamey	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

As you know, Jesus preached Judiasm to His people, the Jews in Matthew. As a matter of fact, all of the 4 Gospels was to the Jewish people, as we were at that time far away and not included until Jesus brought the dispensation of Grace to Paul in Acts. Anyway, I am sure that you do not recognize the epistles of Paul or the four Gospels as being any embodiment of truth. Thats alright woth me, as I have no problem with Judiasm, since God chose you to be His people. I personally wish Christians would talk more about the part of the Bible that is most important to their Salvation rather than picking arguements with the Jewish folk. I will try to find some of your references on the Net. Regards, Santiago

To: capitalistbeatnik who wrote (18933)	7/9/1998 12:04:00 PM
From: Emile Vidrine	Respond to of 39621

"we have overwhelming evidence that the Messiah has not come, " "we have overwhelming evidence that the Messiah has not come, and against this evidence we are confronted by a dubious collection of isolated verses, forcibly wrenched out of context and invariably mi David Berger, Associate Prof. of History at CCNY: ---------------------------------------------------------------- Modern Judaism's " overwhelming evidence" against Jesus comes exclusively from the Babylonian Talmud and the Toledot Jeshua. The Babylonian Talmud is a collection of 66 books of containing the traditions of modern Judaism and the commentaries and interpretations of these traditions.. Modern Judaism exalts the Babylonian Talmud above the Torah and uses the Talmud as the central source of teachings in modern rabbinical formation. The purpose of the Talmud is to superimpose a false view and interpretation on the messianic prophecies found in the Old Testament. The Toledot Jeshua is simply the history of Jesus from an antichrist and Babylonian perspective. It is the central source of teachings about Jesus in the Jewish schools called Yeshivas. I have collected some of the central teachings from the Babylonian Talmud and the Toledot Jeshua and present them here. They were taken from the original Soncino Edition of the Babylonian Talmud. Summations of teachings about Jesus from the Babylonian Talmud and the Toledot Jeshua: Sanhedrin, 67a -- Jesus referred to as the son of Pandira, a soldier Kallah, 1b. (18b) -- Illegitimate and conceived during menstruation. Sanhedrin, 67a -- Hanged on the eve of Passover. Toldath Jeschu. Birth related in most shameful expressions. (Jesus was born from an elicit relation between a young Jewish prostitute and a Roman soldier) Abhodah Zarah II -- Referred to as the son of Pandira, a Roman soldier. Schabbath XIV. Again referred to as the son of Pandira, the Roman. Sanhedrin, 43a -- On the eve of Passover they hanged Jesus. Gloating over the Crucifixion. Schabbath, 104b -- Called a fool and no one pays attention to fools. Toldoth Jeschu. Judas and Jesus engaged in quarrel with filth. Sanhedrin, 103a. -- Suggested corrupts his morals and dishonors self. Sanhedrin, 107b. -- Seduced, corrupted and destroyed Israel. Hilkoth Melakhim -- Attempted to prove Christians err in worship of Jesus

To: capitalistbeatnik who wrote (18933)	7/9/1998 12:35:00 PM
From: Emile Vidrine	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

Teachings from the Babylonian Talmud confrimed by a former Rabbi. The following quotes are taken from Rachmiel Frydland's book When Being Jewish was a Crime He gives an intimate description of the educational formation of young Jews in the yeshiva and Rabbinical schools. Although Rachmiel tries to maintain a loving, sensitive objective stance towards the overall teachings of modern Judaism but because of his love for Christ and the salvation of his people, he boldly exposes modern Judaism's Babylonian Talmudic foundation as well as modern Judaism profound hatred and rejection of Jesus. It is important to remember that every young Jew who has gone through Yeshiva training and Rabbinical formation have been indoctrinated into a rejection and hatred of Christ Less than. 10% of young Jews attend yeshiva worldwide ,and, thank God, do not receive the Talmudic view of Jesus. Ch 5, page 51: "In these early years I had few contacts of any sort with Christianity. At about this time I learned the stories Of jesus from the Jewish point of view. They are given in the infamous book of legens composed in the Middle ages and entitled Toledot Yeshu (The History of Jesus). Some of the material is already embodied in the Talmud: that Jesus was born an illegitimate child and He forced Mary His mother to admit it; how He learned sorcery in Egypt; how He made Himself fly up into the sky by sewing the ineffable name of Jehovah into the skin of his leg, but a famous rabbi did the same and brought Jesus down." Page 34 "The method of education in the yeshiva differed little from the previous schools, but we had longer hours of study..... The studies were now only talmudic. The teachers recited the lecture in the Mishna(the traditions) and the Gemara(the commentaries) the two parts of the Babylonian Talmud....We repeated and discussed the lecture after the teaccher, and then we studied more of the Talmud by ourselves. Thus in the yeshiva, the Talmud reigned supreme. The Old Testament Bible could be used only for reference". P. 34,35 "I had not contacts with Christianity at all. On the way to school we passed a Roman Catholic church and a Russian Orthodox church, and we spat,, pronouncing the words found in deuteronomy 7:26, "thou shalt utterly dtest it, and thou shalt utterly abhor it; for it is a cursed thing." I said it halfheartedly because of my previous favorable contact with Christianity and because some questions were beginning to creep into my mind. Why should we say such horrible words? The people looked so pious, and they never bothered us. ? "As I continued studying the Talmud, I came to a passage that told of a cruel punishment for that Sinner of Israel, meaning Jesus. For one sin of deriding the rabbis, He was punished forever and ever with cruelty as to be "judged in boiling excrement." I did not like this story at all. Did it really mean what it said? did not I also have doubts about the rabbis' claims (talmudic claims) that their teachings were given to Moses on Mount Sinai? What then would my punishment be? It was many years before I dared to proclaim these doubts openly." ---------------------------------------------------------------------- T Thank God for liberating Rachmiel Frydland from this religious cult of darkness and death into the life and light of Jesus Christ. Lord, we pray for the thusands of Jewish people around the world who, even as we speak , are being lead, by this religion of darkness and death, into the path of eternal damnation by rejecting Jesus Christ as their Lord and Messiah. Send Prophets who love not their lives unto death to uncover this evil and liberate these precious people from this Auschwitz of the soul . Lord, we need men and women who will not bend to the pressures of satan and the world. We need those who will love you and the souls of men more than their public reputation. We need saints who will proclaim truth with boldness, so that those with sincere hearts among the Jewish people and among all people can be lead to the saving light of Christ and away from the death and darkness of christless future.. As they killed the prophet of old, oh Lord, surely they desire our blood also. Let our blood and our lives be given for your Kingdom. Help us to overcome by the Blood of your Lamb, the word of our testimony and not loving our lives unto death. Come Lord Jesus

To: capitalistbeatnik who wrote (18933)	7/11/1998 1:13:00 AM
From: Don Martini	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

The D. C. Holocaust Museum exhibits the record of Christian martyrs, a courageous faithful people who were put in Nazi camps because they considered the "Heil Hitler" salute idolatry. They wouldn't goose-step in his armies, nor march in any other for that matter. This people readily die before they'll kill, and came thru WW2 with no blood on their hands. If all "christians" were like them WW2 would have been impossible!! "Jehovah's Witness refused to bear arms or to undertake war related work. Their refusal, as a body, was recorded only 3 days after the promulgation of the new military laws. They also refused to undertake Nazi labor service or related duties. ... It was, however, ideologically impossible for the Nazis to tolerate them, as it is for communist states to tolerate them today. ... Only against the Witnesses was the government unsuccessful, for although they had killed thousands, the work went on and in May 1945 the Jehovah's witnesses movement was still alive ... their numbers had increased and no compromises had been made." 1 James, compared to the millions of slaughtered Jews, which included many of my wife's aunts and uncles, JWs were a small contingent. You'll find a section on us in the Holocause museum. Many of my friends were imprisoned here and I grew up expecting to go to prison for Christian neutrality. "When war broke out the Witnesses at Sachsenhausen were invited to volunteer for military service. Each refusal was followed by the shooting of 10 men from their ranks. After 40 victims had been killed the SS desisted." 2 The Soviets stood our boys naked in the Russian winter and hosed them down til they died as human icicles. THANK JEHOVAH GOD WE HAVE NO JEWISH BLOOD, OR ANY OTHER, ON OUR HANDS! Said Jesus: Put your sword into it's sheath, for all those who take the sword shall die by the sword." I believe these words, have lived by them and am willing to die for them as have thousands of my brothers. The armies of Christendom which have drenched this broad planet with their crusades, wars, inquisitions and pograms, enslaving and exterminating black, yellow and red men and ever despising the Jew down thru 17 centuries to this very minute know nothing of the Jesus of the New Testament, nor were they in any sense Christian. James: No true Christians have afflicted your people, only the false. With deep regret that Jesus' name should be so dishonored, Don Martini 1. Christine King, The Nazi State and the New Religions, E. Mellen Press, New York & Toronto. 2. The Theory and Practice of Hell 33 Eugen Kogon Berkley Books, NYC