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To: alydar who wrote (9072)	7/9/1998 4:51:00 PM
From: Augustus Gloop	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 74651

Maybe but it's benefiting us right now. So cheers to greed! I bet you are a union fan too.

To: alydar who wrote (9072)	7/9/1998 5:21:00 PM
From: Alan Buckley	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 74651

Nobody wronged these "perma-temps". They knew going in exactly what the terms of employment were and they agreed to them. Employees differ widely in their ability to contribute and their willingness to commit. It makes zero sense to say that an employer must offer the same deal to every employee.

To: alydar who wrote (9072)	7/9/1998 7:58:00 PM
From: Gerald Walls	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 74651

For those of you that work for a company, I would like for you took really think about what type of company Microsoft is. I guarentee you, someday, their greed will come back to haunt them. Microsoft Advocates Tax Bill to Deny Benefits to Millions Of American Employees, Says Bendich, Stobaugh & Strong This is a BS spin headline by a law firm trying to protect a source of business. These "perma-temps" are contract employees who knew exactly what they were agreeing to. Most temps are that because they want to be and want the higher wage instead of benefits. Every contract employee I've talked to where I work (as a regular employee) call these losers who brought the lawsuit unethical and are pissed at them for screwing contract employees all across the country. My employer and most others are now instituting policies that require an offer of a permanent position (usually refused due to the radical cut in pay) or the firing of contract employees at a set time. This will hurt business because skilled employees with important knowledge are lost and new people have to be brought in and trained. It hurts employees because job security now means they know when they'll be fired. Nobody wins except the scum who blamed someone else because they made the wrong choice (contract vs. MSFT permanent) and wanted a do-over and so sued. This country has turned into a bunch of whiners who won't take responsibility for their own choices. It's always someone else's fault and they're always being oppressed and taken advantage of.

To: alydar who wrote (9072)	7/10/1998 6:42:00 AM
From: dumbmoney	Respond to of 74651

I think it's great that lawyers are stepping in to protect 130 IQ engineers who are obviously incapable of making career choices without government assistance. <gag> Personally I find it demeaning to receive employee "benefits". But of course, the tax code is designed to punish individuals who prefer all-cash compensation.

To: alydar who wrote (9072)	7/10/1998 2:29:00 PM
From: mozek	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 74651

Blisenko, Thanks for the article. I don't believe the spin on this at all. I work for Microsoft and have been involved in hiring for a number of years now. I know people in many groups around the company and in other countries as well. Microsoft treats its employees and contractors very well. I know of cases where employees have left the company and then come back as contractors voluntarily. I know of cases where employees have left and come back full time, and I know of cases where contractors have interviewed for and been hired into full time positions. Many of the contractors I know are pretty upset about this issue and in agreement with Microsoft. It diminishes their salability. When someone decides to come on board as a contractor, they make a trade off between hourly pay scales (usually higher than salary for same level of work), getting a foot in the door, level of long term commitment, and benefits. They know ahead of time what they are agreeing to in their contract. Thanks, Mike