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To: Alan Markoff who wrote (19017)7/12/1998 4:15:00 PM
From: capitalistbeatnik  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 39621
 
Funny how these Xians who still blame living Jews for the crucifixion object when whites are still blamed for slavery. There is no such thing as intergenerational responsibility.

*actually two of the Gospels blame the Jews, while two blame the Romans



To: Alan Markoff who wrote (19017)7/15/1998 3:52:00 AM
From: Emile Vidrine  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 39621
 
"The unbridled utterances of bigotry and hate coming from the venerated Church Fathers of the early Christian Church raises some doubt as to both their sanity and their saintliness." Alan Markoff

Alan includes St. Justin Martyr and other Church Fathers in his blasphemous and slanderous remarks against the early Christian Church. Justin gave his life as a Martyr in defending the Christians faith and helping to pass our Christian heritage to future generations.
Justin Martyr was born in 110 A.D. in Samaria near Jacob's well.
He was a gentile converted to Christianity by the teachings of the first century Jewish disciples. Justine Martyr learned the Gospel and his doctrines from the earliest disciples of the Apostles.
An attack upon these early saints and Christian Martyrs is an attack upon the holy Body of Chirst and Christ Himself.

The writings of Justin Martyrs are among the most important that have come down to us from the second century. His writings are characterized by intense Christian fervor, and they give us an insight into the relations existing between heathens and Christians in those early days. In St. Justin Martyrs Dialogue with Trypho he demonstrates thefalse position of modern antichrist Judaism in regard to Christianity.

What Mr. Markoff is attacking the early Christians disciples and leaders of the first and second century. It is not the love of Christ, Christianity or mankind that motivates these attacks against the Body of Christ..

I have reproduced below the actual records of the Roman trial and martyrdom of Justin and other early Christian Martyrs.

The Martyrdom of the Holy Martyrs

Justin, Chariton, Charites, Paeon, and Liberianus, Who Suffered at Rome.



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Chapter I.-Examination of Justin by the Prefect.

In the time of the lawless partisans of idolatry, wicked decrees were passed against the godly
Christians in town and country, to force them to offer libations to vain idols; and accordingly the
holy men, having been apprehended, were brought before the prefect of Rome, Rusticus by name.
And when they had been brought before his judgment-seat, said to Justin, "Obey the gods at once,
and submit to the kings."1 Justin said, "To obey the commandments of our Saviour Jesus Christ is
worthy neither of blame nor of condemnation." Rusticus the prefect said, "What kind of doctrines
do you profess? "Justin said, "I have endeavoured to learn all doctrines; but I have acquiesced at
last in the true doctrines, those namely of the Christians, even though they do not please those who
hold false opinions." Rusticus the prefect said, "Are those the doctrines that please you, you utterly
wretched man? "Justin said, "Yes, since I adhere to them with right dogma."2 Rusticus the prefect
said, "What is the dogma? "Justin said, "That according to which we worship the God of the
Christians, whom we reckon to be one from the beginning, the maker and fashioner of the whole
creation, visible and invisible; and the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, who had also been
preached beforehand by the prophets as about to be present with the race of men, the herald of
salvation and teacher of good disciples. And I, being a man, think that what I can say is insignificant
in comparison with His boundless divinity, acknowledging a Certain prophetic power,3 since it was
prophesied concerning Him of whom now I say that He is the Son of God. For I know that of old
the prophets foretold His appearance among men."

Chapter II.-Examination of Justin Continued.

Rusticus the prefect said, "Where do you assemble? "Justin said, "Where each one chooses and
can: for do you fancy that we all meet in the very same place? Not so; because the God of the
Christians is not circumscribed by place; but being invisible, fills heaven and earth, and everywhere
is worshipped and glorified by the faithful." Rusticus the prefect said, "Tell me where you assemble,
or into what place do you collect your followers? "Justin said, "I live above one Martinus, at the
Timiotinian Bath; and during the whole time (and I am now living in Rome for the second time) I am
unaware of any other meeting than his. And if any one wished to come to me, I communicated to
him the doctrines of truth." Rusticus said, "Are you not, then, a Christian? "Justin said, "Yes, I am a
Christian."

Chapter III.-Examination of Chariton and Others.

Then said the prefect Rusticus to Chariton, "Tell me further, Chariton, are you also a Christian?
"Chariton said, "I am a Christian by the command of God." Rusticus the prefect asked the woman
Charito, "What say you, Charito? "Charito said, "I am a Christian by the grace of God." Rusticus
said to Euelpistus, "And what are you? "Euelpistus, a servant of Caesar, answered, "I too am a
Christian, having been freed by Christ; and by the grace of Christ I partake of the same hope."
Rusticus the prefect said to Hierax, "And you, are you a Christian? "Hierax said, "Yes, I am a
Christian, for I revere and worship the same God." Rusticus the prefect said, "Did Justin make you
Christians? "Hierax said, "I was a Christian, and will be a Christian." And Paeon stood up and said,
"I too am a Christian." Rusticus the prefect said, "Who taught you? "Paeon said, "From our parents
we received this good confession." Euelpistus said, "I willingly heard the words of Justin. But from
my parents also I learned to be a Christian." Rusticus the prefect said, "Where are your parents?
"Euelpistus said, "In Cappadocia." Rusticus says to Hierax, "Where are your parents? "And he
answered, and said, "Christ is our true father, and faith in Him is our mother; and my earthly
parents died; and I, when I was driven from Iconium in Phrygia, came here." Rusticus the prefect
said to Liberianus, "And what say you? Are you a Christian, and unwilling to worship [the gods]?
"Liberianus said, "I too am a Christian, for I worship and reverence the only true God."

Chapter IV.-Rusticus Threatens the Christians with Death.

The prefect says to Justin, "Hearken, you who are called learned, and think that you know true
doctrines; if you are scourged and beheaded, do you believe you will ascend into heaven? "Justin
said, "I hope that, if I endure these things, I shall have His gifts.4 For I know that, to all who have
thus lived, there abides the divine favour until the completion of the whole world." Rusticus the
prefect said, "Do you suppose, then, that you will ascend into heaven to receive some
recompense? "Justin said, "I do not suppose it, but I know and am fully persuaded of it." Rusticus
the prefect said, "Let us, then, now come to the matter in hand, and which presses. Having come
together, offer sacrifice with one accord to the gods." Justin said, "No right-thinking person falls
away from piety to impiety." Rusticus the prefect said, "Unless ye obey, ye shall be mercilessly
punished." Justin said, "Through prayer we can be saved on account of our Lord Jesus Christ, even
when we have been punished,5 because this shall become to us salvation and confidence at the
more fearful and universal judgment-seat of our Lord and Saviour." Thus also said the other
martyrs: "Do what you will, for we are Christians, and do not sacrifice to idols."

Chapter V.-Sentence Pronounced and Executed.

Rusticus the prefect pronounced sentence, saying, "Let those who have refused to sacrifice to the
gods and to yield to the command of the emperor be scourged,6 and led away to suffer the
punishment of decapitation, according to the laws." The holy martyrs having glorified God, and
having gone forth to the accustomed place, were beheaded, and perfected their testimony in the
confession of the Saviour. And some of the faithful having secretly removed their bodies, laid them
in a suitable place, the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ having wrought along with them, to whom be
glory for ever and ever. Amen.
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May the Lord have mercy on Alan Markoff who scorns and the pagan Romans who murdered these early Church saints. These Church Fathers were one of the links in the chain that handed us the Gospels in the twentiety century. Let us reverance and venerate these early brothers who helped hand us our faith.

While these Christian saints were giving their lives for Christ, modern antichrist Judaism was busy collecting and writing the Babylonian Talmud and spreading false and slanderous "fables" about Jesus and the Church. Many of the early trials and martyrdoms were actually instigated by modern antichrist Judaism. These facts are recorded in the New Testament as well as in early Church History.