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To: IN_GOD_I_TRUST who wrote (19046)	7/13/1998 12:42:00 PM
From: Emile Vidrine	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 39621

"DEAD WRONG in his viewpoints about Jews, Israel and the holocaust. " Steve, Since I count you as a dear brother in Christ please specify who my views on modern Judaism, modern Israel and the holocaust are "DEAD WRONG". I value your opinion and I am willing to humbly apologize if I have misled anyone with wrong information or ideas. Please take one thing at a time and be specific and biblical. Remember, you posted several objection before. I spent several hours carefully discussing how the OT prophecies you mentioned were fulfilled by Jesus. You had the erroneous and dangerous perception that those prophecies were refering to the modern state of Israel rather than the Lord Jesus Christ. Have you serously and prayerfully considered those Scriptures in the light of Jesus? Another important point to consider is the fact that: 1. The religion of Modern Judaism is not the religion of OT Temple Judaism. 2. The modern Jews are not a race but a religion. The modern Jews are not ethnic descendant of Abraham. There are black Ethiopian Jews, semitic Jews, Sephardic Jews, Ashkenazim Jews , European Jews and Khazar Jews in Israel today. They are a diverse racial or ethnic group. Approximately 90% of mdoern Jews are descended from the Khazars of southern Russian. They are now known as Ashkenazim Jews. The Khazars converted to Judaism in the ninth century and are not physical nor descendants of Abraham.---------- --------------------------- We both know that none of this matter in Christ Jesus. We have to discuss this because the Zionist have created their counterfeit political and pseudo-religious kingdom in Palestine and they are now claiming that they are the physical and spiritual heirs of Abraham. We are faced with many Christian and Jewish Zionist who are falsely insisting that the modern Israel fulfills the OT prophecies that Jesus has already fulfilled with the establishment of his spiritual Kingdom. Much of this difficulty stems from man's desire to raise the flag above the Cross. We certainly cannot focus this blame only on Messianic Jews. The various "Christians nations" have done this for centuries and caused much harm to the body of Christ.

To: IN_GOD_I_TRUST who wrote (19046)	7/13/1998 1:12:00 PM
From: Emile Vidrine	Respond to of 39621

" I fully believe that you can be Jewish hold onto your Jewish heritage and still be a true believer in Yeshua. " Let us look at this statement carefully. What is modern "Jewish heritage."? First, central to modern Judaism is the rejection of Jesus Christ. Modern Rabbis are trained primarily from the Babylonian Talmud. The teachings of the Talmud supersede the teachings of the Torah. The Babylonian Talmud teaches that Jesus Christ is an impostor, the son of a whore and a Roman soldier. This is part of the modern Jewish heritage. I think you would agree that a Jew who accepts Christ cannot hold on to this central teaching of his modern Jewish heritage. This is why most Jews will tell you: "you cannot believe in Christ and still be a Jew." I believe that a Jew must renounce this false antichrist Babylonian heritage when he becomes a Christian. The antchristian teachings of the Babylonian Talmud are tightly entwined in modern Judaism and this is often very difficult to achieve. Notice the hatred towards the early Christian Church Fathers that the Marikoffs exhibited in one of their recent posts. This is the spirit of the Babylonian Talmud and has no place in Christianity. The Markoffs posts indicates an internal desire to exalt modern antichrist and Taludic teaching found in the Jewish heritage above the Church and Christians. There are other parts of the Jewish heritage that is not malignant against Christ. Modern Judasim pays a certain lip service and respect to the Torah--the first five books of Moses. A genuine respect for the Torah can definitely be maintained when a Jew becomes a Christian. A Christian Jew should feel whole and unapologetic about his ethnic heritage---whether it be Khazar, Ashkenamim, Ethiopian or Semitic. Becoming a Christian does not interfere with our ethnic heritage. All soical habits, music and other cultural rubrics that do not denouce Christ or support the Babylonian Talmud can also be brought into the Church. The Kingdom of God is not meat and drink but righteousness, peace and joy.

To: IN_GOD_I_TRUST who wrote (19046)	7/13/1998 1:22:00 PM
From: Emile Vidrine	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 39621

Central elements of the modern Jewish heritage that have to be rejected when a modern Jew accepts Jesus as his Lord and Saviour. Central teachings in modern Rabbinical formation:. The following quotes are taken from Rachmiel Frydland's book When Being Jewish was a Crime He gives an intimate description of the educational formation of young Jews in the yeshiva and Rabbinical schools. Although Rachmiel tries to maintain a loving, sensitive objective stance towards the overall teachings of modern Judaism but because of his love for Christ and the salvation of his people, he boldly exposes modern Judaism's Babylonian Talmudic foundation as well as modern Judaism profound hatred and rejection of Jesus. It is important to remember that every young Jew who has gone through Yeshiva training and Rabbinical formation have been indoctrinated into a rejection and hatred of Christ Less than. 10% of young Jews attend yeshiva worldwide ,and, thank God, do not receive the Talmudic view of Jesus. Ch 5, page 51: "In these early years I had few contacts of any sort with Christianity. At about this time I learned the stories Of jesus from the Jewish point of view. They are given in the infamous book of legens composed in the Middle ages and entitled Toledot Yeshu (The History of Jesus). Some of the material is already embodied in the Talmud: that Jesus was born an illegitimate child and He forced Mary His mother to admit it; how He learned sorcery in Egypt; how He made Himself fly up into the sky by sewing the ineffable name of Jehovah into the skin of his leg, but a famous rabbi did the same and brought Jesus down." Page 34 "The method of education in the yeshiva differed little from the previous schools, but we had longer hours of study..... The studies were now only talmudic. The teachers recited the lecture in the Mishna(the traditions) and the Gemara(the commentaries) the two parts of the Babylonian Talmud....We repeated and discussed the lecture after the teaccher, and then we studied more of the Talmud by ourselves. Thus in the yeshiva, the Talmud reigned supreme. The Old Testament Bible could be used only for reference". P. 34,35 "I had not contacts with Christianity at all. On the way to school we passed a Roman Catholic church and a Russian Orthodox church, and we spat,, pronouncing the words found in deuteronomy 7:26, "thou shalt utterly dtest it, and thou shalt utterly abhor it; for it is a cursed thing." I said it halfheartedly because of my previous favorable contact with Christianity and because some questions were beginning to creep into my mind. Why should we say such horrible words? The people looked so pious, and they never bothered us. ? "As I continued studying the Talmud, I came to a passage that told of a cruel punishment for that Sinner of Israel, meaning Jesus. For one sin of deriding the rabbis, He was punished forever and ever with cruelty as to be "judged in boiling excrement." I did not like this story at all. Did it really mean what it said? did not I also have doubts about the rabbis' claims (talmudic claims) that their teachings were given to Moses on Mount Sinai? What then would my punishment be? It was many years before I dared to proclaim these doubts openly." ---------------------------------------------------------------------- T Thank God for liberating Rachmiel Frydland from this religious cult of darkness and death into the life and light of Jesus Christ. Lord, we pray for the thusands of Jewish people around the world who, even as we speak , are being lead, by this religion of darkness and death, into the path of eternal damnation by rejecting Jesus Christ as their Lord and Messiah. Send Prophets who love not their lives unto death to uncover this evil and liberate these precious people from this Auschwitz of the soul . Lord, we need men and women who will not bend to the pressures of satan and the world. We need those who will love you and the souls of men more than their public reputation. We need saints who will proclaim truth with boldness, so that those with sincere hearts among the Jewish people and among all people can be lead to the saving light of Christ and away from the death and darkness of christless future.. Let our lives be given for your Kingdom. (edited for Mark's sake) Help us to overcome by the Blood of your Lamb, the word of our testimony and not loving our lives unto death. Come Lord Jesus ------------------------------------------------- Steve, I would appreciate a short comment on this part of modern Jewish heritage.