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To: mark silvers who wrote (19075)	7/13/1998 3:43:00 PM
From: IN_GOD_I_TRUST	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

Mark, What I am saying is that if you know the claims of Jesus, and you are not sure who he is or isn't, don't just say he is not God. Then you are saying Jesus is a liar! If Jesus was God, and you say he is not, what does that mean? Explore his claims! Read the bible! And if you do you will know who he is. And by the way: Matthew 9:34 34: But the Pharisees said, He casteth out devils through the prince of the devils. They said it the then and now. It's how they get around not disputing his miracles. A lot of rabbis do not dispute his miracles. And if I am not mistaken, it says it in a lot of their writings as well! ... Steve

To: mark silvers who wrote (19075)	7/13/1998 3:57:00 PM
From: Emile Vidrine	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

"According to this comment, anyone who does not believe in Jesus(most ofthe world) should not make comments aobut him or discuss him. That is an unreasonable expectation." There is a certain transparency to your philosophy when your emotions are stirred! It is not a matter of the Rabbis and leaders of Judaism having the right to speak their minds about Jesus. I, and I am sure Steve and all other Christians on this thread, support freedom of speech. This discussion is not about freedom of speech but about the core beliefs of modern Judaism and Rabbis. Modern Judaism denies that Jesus is the Son of God and they transmit this knowledge against Jesus to their congregation. You are trying to deny this obvious fact. This is why most Jews believe that: "You cannot believe in Jesus and still be a Jew." This is the subtle reality of the teachings of Modern Talmudic Judaism. My wifes parents were raised as Orthodox Jews and later joined a Reformed congreagation. My wife attended several different Synagogues. During her Bah Mitzvah instructions, a Reformed Rabbi told her and her classmates that Jews often say that Jesus was a prophet but that Judaism really did not believe this and they should do the same.. My wife also told me that she had heard of the Talmud but really didn't know what was in it until she and I read it years later. This does not change the facts about Rabbinical formation in rabbinical schools. The denial of Jesus is the cornerstone of modern Judaism. If modern Judaism accepted the teachings of Moses and the Prophets, then they would accept Christ and become Christians. Modern Judaism is based on opposition to Jesus and a reinterpretation of the Old Testament called the Talmud. The rejection of Jesus and the reinterpretation of the Old T. is the foundation of the Cult of Modern Judaism. Modern Judaism is a cult because it mimicks Old Test. Temple Judaism with its terminology and rituals but denies the core beliefs and prophecies of Old Test. Judaism. Old TEst. Judaism accepted the entire Old Test. as inspired---the Torah plus the Prophets and Psalms, Proverbs, etc. Modern Judaism does not. Old Test. Judaism has the Shekinah Glory ---the Holy Spirit---, modern Judaism does not. Old Test. Judaism had a system of blood sacrifices for the sins of the people, modern Judaism does not. Old TEst. Temple Judaism hasda Levitical and Aaronic priesthood, modern cutlitc Judaism does not. Old Test. temple Judaism had a Davidic and Levitical genealogy to establish its priests and civil leaders., modern cultic Judaism does not. The Christian Church established by the Lord Jesus through his Jewish Apostles and disciples contains all of these elements of Old Test. Judaism.