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To: Kashish King who wrote (489)	7/14/1998 3:07:00 AM
From: David Miller	Respond to of 5102

Powersoft ceased being particularly relevant at the time they were bought by Sybase, who thought of their tools as handy bits and pieces with which to add value to a database sale. I even heard of instances where the Sybase salesperson would try to give the stuff away ("but wait, Mr. Customer, there's more"), much to the annoyance of the previously well-nourished PowerBuilder channel partners. Sybase's ACA comes across well, though. sybase.com Inprise could gain some stature in the enterprise market by thinking their strategy through in similar terms. The nearest equivalent on the Inprise web page doesn't quite have the same impact inprise.com david

To: Kashish King who wrote (489)	7/14/1998 8:47:00 AM
From: i-node	Read Replies (4) \| Respond to of 5102

As far as Java is concerned, I don't see any common sense argument for buying Microsoft tools and Sybase is pretty much a me-too product. A year ago we (you & I) were debating Java's imminent capture of the entire languages market. Today, if Java survives AT ALL, it may only be as a language which is owned or at least dominated by Microsoft. While I've never believed the hype that Java was going to immediately replace all other languages, that seems very far away, indeed, at the current time. I think the likelihood is that Java will end up BEING a Microsoft tool, with a few variants of the language around for others to use. So the best argument for buying Microsoft tools in the future may be "Well, I want to use Java. What else can I do?". Old languages die hard; new ones face a tough time getting started.