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To: ericneu who wrote (9241)	7/15/1998 10:01:00 PM
From: ToySoldier	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 74651

Thank you Eric for all this information. Your idea of a Directory Service and my idea of a Directory Service are completely different. You, like MSFT dont know what a real DS can and must do. I have a white-paper that compares the capabilities / limitations of Active Directory with NDS. Sorry, although Active Directory will solve quite a few of the nightmares of current Domains, its still based on Domains! NOVL followed this road of patching up Bindery Services with NNS several years ago before they finally realized that it just wont stand up to true enterprise demands. It's MSFT's turn to learn this lesson. END OF STORY ON THAT ONE! Active Directory guarenteed to be in NT5? Well it might be in the betas now but if they cannot get it to meet the expectations of the industry and work cleanly, then it can just as easily be pulled out on the initial release. You cannot guarentee anything in NT5 will be there on its release. Even the big decision-makers at MSFT havent a clue yet what will be in and what will be pulled out of NT5. Its still 1 year away from release. I would like to now how you would know this for sure. I told you where I got my facts - Aberdeen Group in Boston stated this to us a few weeks ago. I am glad you have clarified MSFT's 98% NT only platform. I am sure MSFT must have white-papers describing their enterprise environment. Please tell me where I can obtain a copy for study. With MSFT being bashed by all the industry analysts and consumers that NT is not enterprise capable, if MSFT is at 98% NT only and they are so large, I would think they would be bragging all over the planet about how enterprise-capable NT really is. Somehow I missed that marketing blitz. So please direct me to the white-papers. As for NT5 being in MSFT production. I will have to call my sources at MSFT and confirm this. How a barely Beta2 product would actual be running MSFT's day-to-day operation purely amazes me!!! Before I call though, please go in a bit more detail as to what areas in MSFT are using NT5 and to what extent (i.e. what %age of MSFT is running on NT5 - even a rough guess)? That way I can confirm your numbers. I work for a "Depth Partner" and we have some good contacts there. Please forgive me if I dont yet believe you on these facts you presented until you can back them up and I can investigate it further. Thanks for all your info! Toy

To: ericneu who wrote (9241)	7/16/1998 2:53:00 PM
From: ToySoldier	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 74651

Eric, I promised you a white-paper on the differences between Domains, Active Directory, and NDS. Since I have been accused of not backing up my postings, here is my promise to you. Also since there are a lot of Nerds on this board, this will be very educational for those of you that think Active Directory will be MSFT's catch-up to Novell's dominant lead in Directory Services technology. For those of you that are not technically inclined, do not open the following HTML site! novell.com One quote within the conclusion... "Conclusion Microsoft Active Directory is not a new directory technology that replaces the existing NT Server 4.0 domain. Active Directory is an attempt to retrofit the legacy NT Domain to solve the greatest limitations of the current domain offering. Active Directory will not deliver several core directory service technologies that have been available in NDS since 1993. Caught off guard by the directory revolution, Microsoft is too short on time to provide a ground-up directory rework for NT Server. Microsoft will no doubt try to stall the industry's adoption of more revolutionary directory offerings as they begin a long journey of redefining domains as a directory service. Active Directory retains much of the existing NT Server 4.0 technology and limitations. Today's customers are struggling to deploy NT Server domains and trust relationships, yet tomorrow's Active Directory requires domains and trust relationship. Simply stated, Microsoft Active Directory is anything but a directory; because it uses the same domain and trust relationship technologies of today's NT Server. While Active Directory does address some of the existing domain limitations, many limitations remain, which substantially increase your cost of deploying NT Server 5.0." Yes its a Novell White-paper so you can close your eyes and throw it out believing its only propaganda, but the whitepaper was developed using MSFT's own documentation. Anyways, there you go. Toy