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Pastimes : Let's Talk About Our Feelings!!! -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Grainne who wrote (23694)	7/16/1998 9:57:00 AM
From: Rambi	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

I seem to remember some pretty nasty cracks about Marilyn Quayle, but the treatment never needed to become as vicious as that afforded the Clintons because her husband was never in the White House and she never had any real power. Women who assert themselves or behave in dominant "male" ways are easy targets for appellations like, "ballbuster" and "dyke". People don't play very fair when they're threatened. I agree with you about the Republicans spouting words--I believe that's all Democrats do for the most part, also. They march to church and talk about family values and live as they please; Clinton, Kennedy, MLK, Marion Berry (was that a farce) spring to mind. And I still am not sure that Quayle was really saying anything hypocritical. But we're pretty close on that one. So good. I think parents have plenty of rights already. I think abusive and neglectful parents should have fewer, not more. Parental rights are being eroded in areas of education, health, discipline. Absolutely, abusive parents' rights should be suspended, but when you remove parental consent completely pre facto, you infringe on the rights of all, not the rights of the guilty. I worked with teens for years. I have two wonderful ones. Most teens, heck, most adults, would rather avoid facing consequences, and particularly, they hate letting down those closest to them. They are young, immature, and their decisions are not always wise ones. You may protect some but I don't believe it's worth the infringement on me. I find this dangerous ground. I think when I say that about interest groups, I'm thinking of the basic difference between us being that I hate "grouping" of any sort. You are compassionate and generous, but you tend to polarize. You believe in Indian rights, minority rights, rights of children; you love studies and statistics which I distrust. You want to make up for the wrongs of the past. I think that's an exercise in futility. THe nature of man is often brutal; the past of ALL nations is filled with cruelty, injustice, and inhumanities. I have no feelings of guilt about what was done by anyone else just because my skin is white. I am responsible for my own actions. You want apologies; I think they're easy and meaningless (but I hear you! I know you believe they start the healing process, they have emotional closure, I just feel differently!)and I certainly would never apologize for the actions Truman took in WWII. Sorry for the suffering of the innocent, sorry for the treatment of native peoples, but not guilty. And apologizing implies responsibility. My responsibility now is to treat everyone with fairness and to help when I can. It does not mean that they are entitled to ongoing special perks and subsidies and handouts. And no one is entitled to 50% of my salary. Unlike you, I'm NOT willing to pay more taxes!!! It fascinates me how alike we are in so many ways, that we believe the same about so many things, but are so different in the way we involve ourselves (or in my case, not). THat's just personality. And it's what makes us wonderfully unique. I love all those differences, just as I love you for your passion. Last night I came in from watching Ammo at basketball camp and a pleasant dinner out with my husband, and read the messages. You know what? I'm feeling that discomfort about being too much here. I felt frustration at Emile and anger at some people on other threads because they are petty and stupid.. That's not good. So I'm off for a bit! Will of course check in. Just need to center and get back to work. Love, penni