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To: Grainne who wrote (23706)	7/16/1998 10:38:00 AM
From: Emile Vidrine	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

"Did Jesus even really say "I am the way, the truth, and the life?" Many things have been attributed to him erroneously, and he said many contradictory things as well." Christine Grace Bartley We have the eyewitness account of men and women who were willing to die rather than change their eyewitness accounts. The Apostles and disciples spent three years in daily contact with Jesus. His mother spent 33 years and nine months experiencing the life of her divine son and her experiences were recorded in Luke's Gospel. The historical accounts recorded in the Gospels were not hearsay accounts like your own but eyewitness accounts by the men and women who saw with their own eyes and heard with their own ears the miracles and words of Jesus. Do you honestly believe that it is rational and honest for an observer to prefer your hearsay testimony 2000 years after the event rather than the sincere and honest testimony of eyewitnesses who would rather die than deny their testimony?

To: Grainne who wrote (23706)	7/18/1998 3:04:00 PM
From: Emile Vidrine	Respond to of 108807

"Did Jesus even really say "I am the way, the truth, and the life?" Many things have been attributed to him erroneously, and he said many contradictory things as well." How do you know those "many contradictory things" he said were not 'erroneously attibuted to him' ? You can't have it both ways! You never once offered substantial research taken from contemporary historical documents to disprove the historical eyewitness accounts in the New Testament.. The historical events in the New Tetament were recorded by <b? eyewitnesses. Their testimony was examined by tens of thousand of scholars and millions of ordinary men and women in the last 2000 years and they withstood the test of authenticity. You, on the other hand, bring nothing but the latest opinions of politically correct Hollywood, and the theological fads of religious bigots and antichristian zealots. Produce historical documents from the first century that contradict the historical events in the New Testament with subtantive contemporary materials rather than hearsay and emotional and antichristian diatribes. I would read any such document with care and attention. I would weigh the words and sources of these documents. Do you know why you don't ever produce such documents? Because they dont exist. All you have is the vague opinions and prejudiced statements from men who are simply against Jesus Christ the Son of God. You are a very dishonest person, Christine! You have a dozen contradictory notions floating in your head simultaneously, but not one is based on concrete historical evidence. The New Testament is concrete document containing the eyewitness accounts of men and women who knew Jesus personally. You are an antichristain bigot with a hatred for truth.

To: Grainne who wrote (23706)	7/20/1998 4:06:00 AM
From: Charliss	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 108807

Hiya Christine, <Did Jesus even really say "I am the way, the truth, and the life?"> Sure, he could have said that, but what did he mean by it? Did Siddhartha Gautama really say "If you see the Buddha on the road, kill him?" If he did, as history says he did, what did he mean by it? Here are two mystics, Jesus and Gautama, saying strange things. Each one spoke of a reality that does not have its origin in the externals. It may manifest in the externals, but it comes from elsewhere. In one culture, this reality was known as the Christ, in the other, the Buddha, and neither one refers to personality, but to something that transcends personality. It is said that Jesus became so identified with this reality, the Christ, that he became known as Jesus the Christ, and that Gautama had the same experience, and in his culture became known as Gautama the Buddha. The "I" that Jesus spoke of is thus the mystical "I," the Christ reality within which transcends Jesus the man. If you see the Buddha on the road, you "kill him," that is dismiss him, for the Buddha, like the Christ, is not external. The Buddha is within. Neither one is form, but substance. I see both teachings as lessons in how consciousness transforms the world. See..you did it again Christine...you get me thinking, sometimes at the oddest hours too. I just got in from a trip, and as I usually do after being away I take time to browse through my e-mail and SI threads as a way of transition... Best, Charliss