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To: Majic who wrote (34719)	7/17/1998 7:41:00 PM
From: Jim McMannis	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1572533

Michael, RE:"And oh yeah, thats right, AMD doesn't have a K6-2 on 400 MHz right now, and I find Intel VERY lucky for that." Oh, I don't know about that...I hear that AMD has more than a few 400Mhz K6s lying around. Jim

To: Majic who wrote (34719)	7/18/1998 12:32:00 AM
From: Elmer	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1572533

Re: "And oh yeah, thats right, AMD doesn't have a K6-2 on 400 MHz right now, and I find Intel VERY lucky for that. " Luck? What makes you think it's luck? It's a combination of incompetence on AMD's part and brilliant execution on Intel's part. Luck has nothing to do with it. Re: "Try a busclock from 125 MHz with a K6-2 at lets say 375 MHz and a pII450 can just sit back, because it's no competition" We all accept that the K6-me2 can blast aliens faster than an Intel counterpart (for now), but show us some benchmarks that prove your claim in areas other than alien blasting. Please show us benchmarks on shipping systems. Thanks in advance, EP Show us some benchmarks

To: Majic who wrote (34719)	7/18/1998 5:40:00 PM
From: Paul Engel	Respond to of 1572533

majic - Re: " Dear Pauleron, is the end of 1999 the NEXT quarter ? I'm talking 1998 here. Amd k6-2 with 3d-now wipes PII butt right NOW, a 333 pII cant keep up in game performance with a cpu wich is priced quite a bit better. And the 3d-instructions can be used for applications beside games.. thats the buity of 3d-now. It's no fake mmx-idear. (oh yeah, intel promised "at least 60 % increase in overal game and application performance with mmx-code, whilst the sad reality is onle a minor 10 % increase, and ONLY because the cache of the older socket 7 pentium mxx was doubled. MMX is a marketing joke, and many many many people took it for granted. Don't you feel mighty now, Pauleron ? So many people just bought as mister Marketing from intel told them to.) And oh yeah, thats right, AMD doesn't have a K6-2 on 400 MHz right now, and I find Intel VERY lucky for that. You know, one of the many nice things of the K-6 is that it scales very well. Fit a K6-3d with a higher busclock, and FPU performance increases quite a bit (66- busclock to 95MHz busclock with POV RAY was 44 % increase in raw FPU power !!, (both cpu's were same internal clock)..and it was only a fraction behind the pII 315 (with 105 MHz busclock), and, as we all know, the 100 MHz busclock vs 66 is a farce for pII. It just is a good marketing strategy from intel to promote "100 mhz ready-pII's" and their chipset, the BX. Try a busclock from 125 MHz with a K6-2 at lets say 375 MHz and a pII450 can just sit back, because it's no competition. And we are just talking about the poor, old K6, wich has been along quite a while now, with some mmx-kind of enhancement wich just turns out to be supirior to any enhancement to cpu's since the backside cache at full speed was invented (ppro -). And why do you keep throwing with those MHz ?? Like that matters. Amd's next step will be more cache in the chip at higer speeds, and optimizing the whole cpu all over again. The step from putting the 2ndary (or 3rd level cache -) in the cpu has proven to be a cost-effective way to increase cpu performance quite a bit. See the pII and the Celeron. (offcourse intel and Amd are playing an other game - the K6 still has to get the cache into the die, and the pII just had it castrated, and REMOVED the 2ndary chache entirely, so we are comparing 2 different things, and performance gain for AMD will go UP (even without the MHz going up,) a lot more than things as a Xeon compared to a pII will. And it would be like comparing a 100 MHz 486 to a 100 Mhz pentium. A Xeon is just a pII, with some different cache combinations (in speed (full or half) and in size. But it stays a pII. No different Core. Saves Intel the cost of developing a whole new cpu, and Intel knows they got to stamp out the new models at higer rate then they would ever have imagend. But pauleron, pleaze don't just pick out just one sentence, and copy and paste it into a reply, no, just say nothing or reply on the whole story, and try to accept that not everything you say can be pro-intel. Hasta la vista, Maybe, Michael da kota, from Holland with love. " Huh? Paul