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To: starpopper who wrote (34733)	7/18/1998 7:27:00 AM
From: Michael DaKota	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 1572911

Pro-intel people just keep hammering on MHz. It doesn't matter !!!! The K6-2 beats higher-clocked pII's with ease. I would rather buy a pentium pro 200 than a pII233. Even intel has many cpu's with the same clock speed, but with total different performance numbers. A 100 MHz DX-4 486 and a p100, a 200 Mhz p5, and a 200 MHz Ppro, a 233 MMX and a pII233. Intel them selves are quite familiar with same clock speeds and very different performance. So why shouln't amd be in the same boat ? a Celeron 300 just is no competion to a K-6-2 300, and for the following reasons : 2d, Desktop publishing, graphics, and Windows performance of a K6-2 is MANY times faster than anything the castrated Celeron is able to show. The lack of cache just is a big BIG problem for the Celeron concerning standard programs. The only segment where Intel promotes the Celeron on, is GAMING. ("3d"). "Combine it with a state of the art 3d-accelerator card, and it will be at almost pII performance" -thats an often heard and seen sentence - But since AMD has 3d-now, the last pro of the Celeron is rendered useless. Amd beats the Celeron on every aspect, whilst also offering superior upgradebelity. When you buy anything from intel nowadays, you know for sure that the motherboard and it's socket will be out of date the next month. Maybe intel changed the color, the smell or something else of uppermost importance, just to guarentee that they will have "new" products to sell to the customers. Hope to have informed you well : Michael da Kota, from Holland with Love;

To: starpopper who wrote (34733)	7/18/1998 9:00:00 AM
From: Xpiderman	Respond to of 1572911

How low the AMD K-6 ASP(Average Sell Price) will go in the comming quarter? Intel has something to say. home.zdnet.com Intel to slash price of 300MHz Celeron, announce workstation spec Now that industry bellwether Intel Corp. has got its second quarter out of the way, it is trying to spark demand for the second half of the year and beyond. Next month, Intel will cut the list price of a 300MHz Celeron chip from about $160 to less than $100, according to sources. As recently as last month, Intel's plan was to cut the price by only $20, to $140, the sources said. Intel officials declined to comment on future pricing, but analysts said the Santa Clara, Calif., company may have come under fire from PC makers for charging a premium on a chip whose performance has been widely criticized. "I'm not surprised," said Mark Specker, an analyst at SoundView Financial Group, in San Francisco. "PC makers can't make margin on those [systems] anymore because there is other stuff out there that's cheaper and just as good.'' Next month's price cut will set the stage for higher-performance 300MHz and 333MHz Celeron processors with 128KB of integrated cache, both of which are due in September. The 300MHz version will cost about $150, while the 333MHz version will cost about $190, sources said. By November, they will cost $140 and $180, respectively, they added, although prices could plummet further if yields and/or market conditions warrant it. Analysts are bullish on the forthcoming Celeron models and systems built around them. They expect them to have more appeal in the corporate sector because of the increased performance. Intel is also seeking to boost demand at the high end. Next week at the Siggraph trade show, it will announce specifications for standard workstation designs, called WTX. Intel will also announce the specification for AGP Pro, which is a superset of the 4X AGP spec and is due next year. WTX is similar to earlier Intel efforts in the PC space in which it defines a standard motherboard size and placement of connections and slots. Adhering to the spec, according to Intel, will make it easier, faster and cheaper for OEMs to develop and sell workstations because they don't have to design a board and chassis from the ground up. "WTX will accelerate adoption,'' said Andre Wolper, director of industry marketing in Intel's Workstation Division. "Currently, OEMs have by and large developed their own Xeon systems, but these redundant development costs can be borne by Intel.'' Often Intel will build motherboards based on its system spec and populate the board with its chip set and other components, then sell that directly to OEMs. This leaves OEMs with minimal research or development work to do and, ultimately, products that sell high volumes but are often classified as commodities. While Wolper didn't come out and say so, he indicated that Intel would build workstation motherboards. "The WTX specification doesn't necessarily mean that Intel will do a [workstation] motherboard. But it's a logical thing to do and I wouldn't be surprised if we did it,'' he said. As for AGP Pro, it is expected to manifest itself in midrange and high-end workstations next year. A higher-performance bus than even 4X AGP, AGP Pro requires a rearchitecture of core logic. Third-party graphics companies are expected to build powerful graphics cards for AGP Pro. The WTX specification supports the AGP Pro bus and has physical space for AGP Pro graphics cards, as well as future 32-bit processors.

To: starpopper who wrote (34733)	7/18/1998 10:16:00 PM
From: P.T.Burnem	Respond to of 1572911

<<<"...Meanwhile, despite declining prices, Intel will likely stabilize its price segments in 1999. Xeon chips will sell from roughly $1,000 to $4,000 and beyond; Pentium II processors will sell for between $200 to $800; and Celeron chips will sell for between $100 and $200...">>> AMD will never get more than $200 for their BEST chips...Intel has just made a schrewd business decision to take AMD head-on with a product specifically targeted at AMD's bread & butter! Call the Celeron the "AMD-Killer"! It's wishful thinking on the part of Intel that they can sell $800 Pentiums when a perfectly adequate substitute is available for a lot less under Compaq label. Intel targets AMD with their loss leader (Celeron), but they may end up getting foisted by their own petard: there is a good chance that Celeron will hurt PII sales. As to competition from AMD, it is not going away. The worst can happen is that AMD will get acquired by a bigger player. PTB