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To: Yousef who wrote (34784)	7/18/1998 9:31:00 PM
From: Paul Engel	Respond to of 1572719

Yousef - Re: " AMD couldn't even transfer their .35um process from Sunnyvale to Austin successfully in 6 months ..." Excellent recall of the real history. Isn't it amazing how many people believe in Miracles? Paul

To: Yousef who wrote (34784)	7/19/1998 1:43:00 AM
From: Scumbria	Respond to of 1572719

Yousef, Motorola and IBM processes are very similar because of the Power PC relationship. If AMD has parts working at IBM, then taping out to Motorola design rules should be relatively easy. Scumbria

To: Yousef who wrote (34784)	7/19/1998 12:09:00 PM
From: Maxwell	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1572719

Yousef: << Transfering a new process with new modules (like Copper damascene) will take even longer and with AMD's lack of expertise maybe twice as long.>> The more I talk with you the more I realize that your analytic ability is limited. Let me give you a simple explanation. 1) MOT has already developed a WORKING copper process and 0.18um transistor process which are used in PRODUCTION. 2) MOT has already worked out all the problems you pointed out. 3) MOT has already chosen all the processing equipment. They know which one works and did all their DESIGN OF EXPERIMENT. They know which parameter space is stable for production. 4) AMD hasn't bought any copper tools for FAB30. 5) AMD has no experience with copper and no experience with 0.18um transistors and design rule in FAB25 and FaB30. 6) ALL THEY HAVE TO DO IS COPY COPY COPY. Do you understand COPY EXACT, a concept implemented at Intel by Barnett. Intel can bring a new FAB up in production in less than 6 months. No experiment is needed. Let me give you example. If I was going to teach you how to bake a cake and you have never done it before. You can do if if I show you how to mix all the ingredients and steps. If you make a wrong step I will correct you right away. The result will be just as good had I baked a cake myself. Maxwell