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To: Zeuspaul who wrote (1748)7/19/1998 9:52:00 PM
From: Spots  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 14778
 
NT Ws supports striping, but I don't <g>.

It is possible to stripe as many drives as you can hang
on the box up to (nominally) 32, or at least according
to the documentation; I haven't tried it myself.

I don't have any info on performance of NT striping, nor
do I know the details of the implementation. Given
proper implementation, significant gains could be achieved,
possibly up to N times where N is the number of volumes
less some unknown (to me) overhead due to multiple I/O
operations and the inevitable competition for resources
at various levels (bus, controller, OS, memory, etc, etc).
Even though SCSI can handle multiple simultaneous outstanding
operations, the bus throughput is limited and there is
contention on it.

There is always some overhead. Often it is significant,
even when there is theoretically enough aggregate bandwidth.
There are plenty of shared resources in the chain with
the inevitable queueing around each resource. If you're
familiar with queueing models, you know that throughput
ALWAYS contains a factor of 1/(1-resourcebusyfraction).
Other factors can depend on scheduling algorithms, but
that one can't be eliminated. Practically speaking,
the slowdown becomes noticeable at around 10% busy. It
is EXTREMELY difficult to drive such resources beyond
about 70% busy, especially if there is a lot of variance
in service times (another factor is the mean square
deviation of the service time -- it's called the
dispersion for good reason).

I don't have any good feel for how this comes down for
striped disks. Clearly it depends on the controllers,
the distribution of disks, and the software implementation,
among many other things. One "other thing" be on-board disk
cache on the disk side of the controller bus (a tremendous
advantage because it sits at the other end of all the queued
shared resources and is used only by the single disk drive).
I don't know where a caching controller's cache sits relative
to the bus bottleneck, or even if there is a predefined place
for it.

Sorry not to be more help. To my mind, striping is just too
risky, though I can see that for work files, swap files, temp
files, etc, there could be major uses in certain environments.
I trust the disks a lot more than I trust NT, actually. I'd
be ESPECIALLY worried about NT's suffering a minor glitch
and forgetting the stripe configuration than the
physical disks themselves. Then, bye-bye data.

Spots



To: Zeuspaul who wrote (1748)7/22/1998 4:07:00 PM
From: Ann Corrigan  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 14778
 
Hi Zeuspaul & thread,

Just wanted to tell those who offered assistance to me awhile back that Kristi is finally going on her skates.

It took a whole new system to accomplish the feat.

Sincere thanks for everyone's help at the time.

Best wishes, Ann



To: Zeuspaul who wrote (1748)7/22/1998 9:37:00 PM
From: Street Walker  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 14778
 
I really want my computer built!

I begin to put my order in at Totally Aewsome
and he listens to me and says:

For what you are doing, go for a 400mhz, but more
importantly a SCSI drive. He said that a 300 with
a SCSI is faster than a 400 without.

He also is having some problems with Win 98 and
won't put it on computers until there are some
new patches released. The operating system upgrades
are free, forever.

Because I want to get my computer done very soon,
I may just buy the Colorgraphics or Appian.

Your thoughts on an SCSI drives and the current situation
with Win 98/matrox drivers?

Regards,
S.W.



To: Zeuspaul who wrote (1748)7/24/1998 2:11:00 AM
From: halfscot  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 14778
 
Zeuspaul or anyone: I am in need of a little advice. I currently have an IBM clone w/a P133. I would like more speed while staying w/the socket 7 motherboard and have been eyeballing the new AMD K6 300 MHz as a possible candidate for the best possible price/performance. My primary question centers around the motherboard for this processor. Is there a clear choice in performance between the different M/Bs available? Are there other considerations I should be aware of and would it make a difference in the choice? Thanks for any advice you can provide.

halfscot