JETTER WROTE: The only truth I'm referring to is why you are here...
To obviously save us all, what a humanitarian you are...
Then you go on with personal attacks towards someone you have never even spoken to? Somehow this just doesn't add up...
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FOLKS,
Just so you know, many of us have noticed that a group of people, some of which are listed below, invade all kinds of threads, particularly those in stocks that have run up. They virtually always claim that they are not shorting a stock, that they are only exposing the hypesters who are promoting the stock for humanitarian reasons. I have some personal experience with them on the "BASHERS" POST THEM HERE!!!" thread that a few of us started.
They quickly invaded it and tried to tell everyone that it was HYPESTERS that were the big problem and that BASHERS were often "good guys" who exposed Hypesters. Even though we politely agreed that there were many hypesters on SI, we asked them to please start their own thread for Hypesters. We told them that this one was for BASHERS only. They refused to leave, and things got a little ugly as more and more of them came out of the woodwork. Have a look if you like.
They are very very good. Poet (Leslie) has a clinical psychology degree and finds herself drawn, she says, to the "death threat thread." Unfortunately, they have received death threats and spend some time on the "Death Threat Thread". That is a sad testimony that people threaten them that way....very sad... but I am also troubled that they seem to almost take pride in that. They are relentless and very strong willed and you will not chase them away. The only thing you can do, if you think they are a threat, is to warn people of them. They do that to me, so only fair that they are fiar game too.
so, is this poster right about them or is he wrong?
exchange2000.com
I believe when they found out that CYGS had broken through $2.00, they were either hired by someone to short the stock or, if there motives are not monetary and are egotistical, they decided to come and wreak havoc. What better way to get attention when the stock is above $2.00 if they can tank it. But where were they before if they wanted to protect others from the hypesters? Why wait fo rit to get up to $2.00 plus. Did they own it early and just sell? Now they want to make money on the way down?
WHAT REALLY BOTHERS ME is not the personal attacks, but the fact they seem to NOT care that many good people have already invested in stocks like CYGS, INFE, or MTEI. By creating UNPROVEN "fear and doubt" they cause many small investors who bought near the top to risk losing a lot of money, if this group is successful in tanking the stock. Many of these people even did great DD on this stock and love it... much more complete DD than memebers of this "club" do before they start posting....they typically just cite posts or news stories that suit their negative spin.
*** Are they really better than those who hype stocks?
I repeat, ARE THEY REALLY BETTER THAN THOSE WHO HYPE STOCKS?
They seem to think it is fair to question every little thing that is stated on the positive side, but they do NOT feel it is necessary for THEM to actually have to DISPROVE anything.
You rarely see them disprove beyond a shadow of a doubt, only raise fear and doubt.
Should they not be subject to the same rules that they ask promoters of a stock to follow?
They don't seem to care that many good people have invested their hard earned dollars. They just assume it must be a scam without doing complete DD themselves (CatLady is an exception in that she did say that CYGS "might very well be a wonderful company") in one of her posts.
But that is what irks many people about this group. They assume a company is bad until proven good. They raise concerns, which is fine, but why don't they raise the concerns amongst themselves and then attempt to see if they are valid or not... BEFORE POSTING! They never do.
Did they fly down and personally meet with the company like some did. Did they attempt to find all the big name investors that have bought into this company? Do they know how soon some of their products will be released to the marketplace? Do they really understand what vectoring and anti-sense is? or what advantage CYGS has over it's competitors in the anti-sense research field. DO they really have an anti-aging skin cream that is revolutionary or not?
Why don't they find out whether this is a solid company or scam BEFORE posting ANYTHING?
If they were better than the HYPESTERS they abhor, why would they not do that?
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and what about their motives?
They claim they seldom short a stock, but they almost never seem to post anything positive about a company, like most of us. They say they don't work for anyone who is shorting a stock. But what bothers me is that they only post on INFE, MTEI, DGIV, SGNC when the stock has already run up
Where were they when the hyping first started. IF they are really protecting the people form hypesters, why didn't they come along when DGIV or CYGS was at 50 cents or a dollar? They could have prevented a lot of people from buying into the so-called scam stocks?
Some think they people try to tank stocks of companies they love, so they can be them cheaper. Well, something to consider, if they are not shorting or working for someone who is shorting.
I think they quietly buy companies like CYGS, and when the price gets to a level where they think they might be able to short it, they get a few people together and orchestrate fear and doubt. NO real proof mind you, but lots of fear and doubt. They make money going up and do no promotion whatsoever, so that when they short it, they seem more credible when claiming they are NOT short and have never owned it.
****** PARTIAL LIST OF PEOPLE YOU MAY WANT TO TRACK ******
JANICE SHELL- probably the most agressive, GRAYSTONE, CATLADY , 246810, POET, ROBERT H. ULRICH, BILL ULRICH, JEFFREY S. MITCHELL, BULLRIDER, TOM C., etc. You will find others like Marcos, if you want to. Just visit the threads one of them inhabitats or go to FBN or FBNA threads. Perhaps you should track me too, DaveGore.
I am sure you have your list of Hypesters you watch out for too. I do. Watch everyone and ask yourself what their motive is. Do your own DD.
is this poster right about them...who do you believe?
exchange2000.com
My take is that I can understand and spot a hypester real easily....wild claims so that he can make himself rich on the poor fools who drive his stock up, but these people are harder to figure. They never seem to promote any stocks. They are always negatively bashing without proof. So what is their real motive?
Well, if you go to the search area of SI and "search by people", you will at least see what they are always up to. Same with me or anyone else. You might want to make your own "Watch List" from know on.
The sad thing is that people like them could be really helpful on SI, but they take things way too far, and they pick on stocks that are either good companies, IMO, or far less "scammy" than other companies.
If they picked on companies like MINE (which Graystone and even I did), then they would be an asset. They would get accolades rather than death threats. IF they would announce a stock is a scam by doing proof postive DD beofr posting, they will get our respect.
** And if they would prove the stock is a scam before so many innocent people get in near the high, they would be heros.
PS-- please do not threaten anyone with death or bodily harm. Instead if they or me or anyone else hypes or bashes without PROOF of their position, either demand that proof and/or better yet, make up you own mind from your own DD. Form your own club, and discuss things privately among people you trust.
IF a hypester makes wild claims of "killer news that will triple the stock by Monday" or seems to have inside information, be smart and don't believe them.
IF a basher (or better yet, many bashers) come into a stock near it's high (all of a sudden) and start creating fear and doubt (and don't admit they are shorting and don't have any real proof), question them, too, make up your own mind, and act accordingly. I hope no one will feel bullied into buying or selling. I have seen very few people that I believe on SI. You need to do great DD, understand hypesters, bashers, and Market Maker tactics to make money on the BB's.
I like CYGS, but have a small position... you will have to decide yourself. |
