To: Justa Werkenstiff who wrote (14981 ) 7/22/1998 1:52:00 AM From: Andrew Vance Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 17305
*AV*--I am going to answer in one post just to drage it out another day. What scenario do you envision based upon your experience at SEMICON West for a recovery in the semiconductor capital equipment sector? Late this year at best and probably first quarter next year. Companies have tightened belt for rest of year and are now putting 1999 Capital Appropriations suggestions together for the October Capital cycle going into 1999. Looks like technology buys for .18um lead the way to me.Correct but I do not envision this taking off in this calendar year especially with the types of leadtimes that might exist. Delivery could be as early as first QTR 99. Keep in mind, companies are now probably scrambling for a wafer size strategy. I think we have both 0.18u AND 200mm expansions clouding the minds of management. What was the overall atmosphere there? If it is much worse than in 1996 this time around,...Mixed bag with most of it down. Pockets of good were ASYT and ATMI, to name a few. Underattended, underwhelming from an excitement level, low enthusiasm, lower attendance by sales forces for individual companies, wrong individuals attending, very little "purchasing" going on, but a great deal of tire kicking and probing questions. wouldn't you think total bookings would hover at least around 800m or less for a at least a few months before we get a recovery? I don't see a "V" shaped recovery scenario, how about you? I hadn't given much thought to the number so yours looks acceptable. No V shaped recovery like you said. I see a low level roller coaster effect with a good deal of back and forth movement around 10% swings winding up nowhere, then a gradual incline where roller coaster is still in affect but lows get higher and highs get a little higher. There will be an EVENT to create the herd mentality rush to the sector. This will come with a slew of new fab constructions, a turn in the DRAMs, announced design wins for 0.18u, increased orders for DUV steppers, and a few other things. It will also come as a result of normal sector rotation. Semiconductors are out of favor while Biotech, Banking, Telecom, Internet are supposedly hot. I have a focus list of under 10 stocks that are being charted for early signs of a turn in this sector. It consists of those stocks that may be the first to turn and signal a recovery in the works. What is more of a problem in this environment in your opinion: (1) lack of available financing for the SEA DRAM boys; or (2) DRAM overcapacity. Can financing be secured by the DRAM boys (I assume they want the new stuff but cannot finance it) without a recovery or stabilization in DRAM pricing? Nix to #1. Even though money is tight as you suggest, #2 (overcapacity) is the real killer. The SEA boys are trying to recoup from 2 things: overcapcity and pathetic margins due to price erosion in DRAMs. The are trying to convert some of the DRAM fabs to Logic and ASICs to pick up the slack in both cpacity and margins. Hell, INTC will start to see margin erosion as IDTI, AMD, and NSM, pick up steam. DRAM pricing is DEAD until we see a NEED for 256K DRAMs and a good available supply. But that will erode very fast. My feeling is to stop the die shrinks, use copper technology, and simplify the process in order to become more cost effective. Larger die with Copper interconnect could allow 0.18u processing to exist for a great deal longer in the life cycle. there is no real rush to 0.10U and below yet. Things are advancing way too fast and the NEED for these technologies are not really there in the marketplace end products<IMHO>. BTW- Who really notices the difference between an 8X, 12X, 16X, 24X, and 32X CD ROM. My kid plays lots of games and I listen to CDs on the PC. We find very little value to 32X over our 16X drives. BUT, why buy a 16X when you can get a 32X for under $50. Every weekend there are advertisements for FREE stuff at Computer City, Best Buy, etc. where you pay $ x.99 for the item and get a rebate for the identical amount. So how do you make $$$. I know these are doorbusters but Bozos like me go in a buy just the doorbusters<GGG>. I have diskettes, mice, keyboards, etc. up the Wazoo. They are as disposable as Kleenex for us. Yeah, I NEED (really want) a 400-600MHz CPU but cannot figure why I would have any need for 768K of DRAM or 16Gig drive yet. The real stuff is in sound and graphics chipsets with the multitudes of competitors. Everyone is working towards turning our PCs into expensive TV sets, VCRs, or George Jetson Videophones. Gimme a break. The last thing I need is to be answering my computer as I get out of the shower and be asked, "what were you doing". Bad enough the fricking telemarketers will now see that you really aren't too busy to take their call.<GGG>