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To: KZAP who wrote (8254)	7/22/1998 6:50:00 PM
From: David Smith	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 11708

One thing appears to me. And that is that for the most part, the thread takes HK's and Millis' word for what they are saying. Greg, and most others on the thread, DIDN'T believe H.K. or Millis's excuse on the delay of the well. Greg had to independently verify (at my insistence) and call rig owners in Utah to find out what was happening. What is happening is that H.K. and Millis's statements are being verified from other sources and the thread is now believing that they are telling the truth. What I'm saying is the new posters that are posting their "info" and accusations on the thread and they get attacked and the thread wants the "info" verified Their statements are proving to be untrue and the thread is reacting appropriately. Case in point, the 17,000 sq. ft. house turns out to be approx. 2,500 sq. ft. The 17,000 sq. ft. house never sounded reasonable in the first place and people were suspect from the beginning. Additionally, the thread demands to know who these new posters are. They already know who H.K. and Millis is. Faceless accusations do not cut it any more. The thread wants to know information that would make these new posters accountable. FWIW - I updated the CSMA header - The header needs to be cleaned up. David

To: KZAP who wrote (8254)	7/22/1998 6:57:00 PM
From: dealmakr	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 11708

KZAP, I do expect accountability from anyone. In an official capacity of a public company I gave credence to what HK and Mike Millis have said. Please remember that I told them prior to opening the conversation not to tell me anything that they wouldn't want the whole world to know. As far as anyone else, serious accusations have been made without substanciation. If I had wanted to find out about a house for example, a good way to gather info would be to go to the local Hall of Records, find out who owns the property, look at the tax assesment, drive by the location and photograph the house and then be able to substanciate a claim of how large it was. Thats doing "field" research. As far as the LPS stuff, my position is that is for company management to deal with. I do weigh what posters may say in an open forum and believe in the right of anyone to say whats on their mind according to the rules of the forum, just don't like dealing with BS. Dave

To: KZAP who wrote (8254)	7/22/1998 8:35:00 PM
From: TraderGreg	Respond to of 11708

Did anyone ask HK or Millis to verify their statements? Just wondering...... Gee, no we didn't. Boy, we must be stupid huh. Oh, but wait a minute, these guys are representing a public corporation and are automatically accountable for what they say. But you knew that didn't you KZAP? You just wanted to make sure all of us should be asking those questions. Tell me, why doesn't it bother you that Boner and Bunnett and Hooks aren't verifying their garbage and disclosing who they are? You certainly must have placed some credence in what they say, right? Caused you enough concern to sell a large position, so they are credible as far as your concerned. If so, why hold any more? Why not do what most do, simply sell and move on? TG