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To: Dave Gore who wrote (1911)7/22/1998 7:59:00 PM
From: Josef Svejk  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 32873
 
Humbly report, Dave, since you "don't want Jeff to miss the big picture", here is #reply-5185218 .

Cheers,

Svejk
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To: Dave Gore who wrote (1911)7/22/1998 10:38:00 PM
From: X Y Zebra  Respond to of 32873
 
Just one person I know of lost $22,000 on MTEI and SGNC. I honestly believe he would not have lost that money if your friends had not invaded that thread. Even Janice, after you guys did your damage, admitted to me that MTEI is NOT a scam, and SGNC received major funding from the Batelle Institute, so I doubt they are either.

Not only are you making an accusation for which you show neither solid proof, nor the logic which you are using makes any sense, therefore you invalidate your own statements, and further you sound like a "blue special fool".

The financial markets have two functions:

1. Facilitate the financing of those companies that seek such financing, for whatever purpose they may publicly state.

2. For Investors and speculators to attempt to make money.

THERE ARE NO GUARANTEES OF SUCCESS.

Neither for the companies that participate, nor for the investors and speculators who also participate.

Market makers give liquidity and facilitate the function of an orderly market.

As in any other business, they are businessmen and do what they do to make money, no more, no less. They are not here to please you, nor are they in business for charitable purposes.

As in any other activity, there are those who are ethical, and there are those who are not.

The price of a stock goes up because there are more buyers than sellers..... the reverse is the result of more sellers than buyers.

Penny Stocks, are "story stocks" (for the most part). It is each investor's responsibility to properly evaluate their investment and/or speculation. Obviously "news" influence the decision making process of people to buy sell, hold, or do nothing, but in the end, the price goes up or down because there are either more buyers, or more sellers, as applicable.

If you feel that the "potential" reward of the penny stocks justifies the considerable risk that exists in them, PARTICULARLY when they are not REPORTING companies, then be a big boy, invest in the damned thing, but if the "Risk" part proves its case, over the "Reward" part, then do not blame the world for your bad decision.

Period!

The claim that the SI Universe "promotes" the influence of a specific group of posters, who according to you, (without proof), are some kind of "Cartel" that are after specific stocks that happen to be of your "choice" is not only ludicrous, but further it is stupid.

The reason, in my opinion, that there are a number of people that counter your statements in the manner of posting in specific threads, or whatever, you deem to be "attacks", is done, in part to have fun at the lunacies and absolute lack of logic behind stupid decisions to place money in companies that range from the result of a dream of well intentioned people, to outright scams, as the case may be applicable.

Remember that the FREE MARKET is the ultimate and final judge, and for you to suggest (and express), that a group of individuals have the force to "influence" the stock price" is at best naive.

Even if we assume that whatever the hell is said in SI (and I am simply making such assumption to simply make a point), would "influence" those people you mention, all I can say is you people better give the money to professional money managers, because either you have no idea what the hell you are doing, or, worse, you are a bunch of cry-babies that can not take a loss.
Take the above post as simply my opinion, read it and think, I do not need a response, as I simply do not have the time to answer your response, I rather spend my time looking at charts of companies that make me money not silly dreams that the odds of them coming to fruition, do not justify the tremendous risk one takes in the process.

As a suggestion, look at the charts of companies where the risk is far less than the stupid trash that the majority of the pennies are. If that still does not convince you, then may be you should seek for a school that offers a course in sound logic and common sense.

The above is only my opinion.

And of course, I mean this in a good way.....

Z.

Consider the following as well.....

"All the leaders of groups tend to be frauds. If they were not, it
would be impossible for them to retain the allegiance of their dupes"...

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"One seldom discovers a true believer that is worth knowing."

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To: Dave Gore who wrote (1911)7/23/1998 12:56:00 AM
From: Mr.Manners  Respond to of 32873
 
*****OT*****

Dave,

Responding to your hysterical attack is neither attacking nor spamming.


Again, the issue is much bigger than just you


The issue isn't any bigger than me. I am representative of every person who is allowed to contribute posts.

I invade no threads. I post. Condone Graystone? though it isn't up to me to do so.. why not.. he speaks ethically.
Condone Janice's behavior? - that's not my place. But I can tell you that I am one of many who appreciate the work she does. I'm happy to be associated with her. And I think she is in part not appreciated as much as she deserves nor recognized as much as possible for the work she has done because of articulated posts such as yours that attempt to legitimize a disregard for facts and a denial of the possibility that someone who does not agree with assessments of some stocks could not possibly have anything creative to contribute that would be of help in evaluating a stock.

What is this constant carping about people being asked if they own a stock? I don't believe you need to own a stock to have an understanding of the circumstances surrounding a stock and its history.
Neither I personally, nor Janice, nor anyone you named literally or by association are in any way responsible for what one of the stocks you pick or anybody else picks does in the market. It too is an open forum.
My friends do not create personal attacks. That is a self-serving accusation for which you and everyone who repeats it is responsible in part for creating - and maintaining.

Explain themselves? - to whom? You? These are individuals, people with their own identities. Therefore, some might feel it would be okay to say why they are interested in certain stocks, others not.
My feeling is that I pay my bills, I commit no crimes, I take care in my personal relations in the world and on the net, I don't have to explain myself to anyone. It is complete arrogance from anyone to even suggest it.
'Reasonablenss'? You mean that if people who listen to you attack people with whom I am associated it is ok, but if we defend ourselves, and/or the facts we discover, against such outrageous slander, it is not only okay for the people with whom you are associated to tell us to stop, but for them to continue their pettiness and trivial dispositions. That would be .. unfair

I think you got lost in your speculations because you found it easier to be hostile and attempt to justify it afterwards; than to first stop and make an honest consideration, without the interference of emotion, and going way overboard. That is too bad.
But ignorance of that is not to be excused nor 'condoned.'



To: Dave Gore who wrote (1911)7/23/1998 1:07:00 AM
From: CatLady  Respond to of 32873
 
"I await your group's full disclosure."

Is it possible that the reason you are having so much trouble understanding "our" hidden agenda is because THERE IS NO HIDDEN AGENDA ?!?!



To: Dave Gore who wrote (1911)7/23/1998 1:27:00 AM
From: Bill Ulrich  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 32873
 
Well Dave, since you said: &#147&#133just take a look at how the peaceful CYGS thread has completely changed since last Sunday. You guys were nowhere to be found when the so-called scam stock ran from 28 ot $2.25, but then suddently your friends attacked and created anger and personal attacks and everything bad about SI.&#133&#148 then let's take that look, Dave:

tscn.com

Earlier, you didn't have people like Big Dog spamming every other thread on SI saying "Stock of the Decade!!" "Mortgage the House and Bet the Farm!!", "Stock of a Lifetime!!" which is precisely what happened last week. So to answer your question, that's probably why people left it alone. And then:

magneticdiary.com

Boom! Up 45% one day, then down 33% and down another 25%. Good selling eh, amigo? Did you notice the volume earlier this month&#151then a little quiet spell whilst all the actors take their places, and get their cue cards ready? The problem isn't penny companies themselves really&#151just cheezy 3-Card-Monte dealers who don't have any ethics. Like you.