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To: Poet who wrote (50)7/25/1998 10:00:00 AM
From: Reginald Middleton  Respond to of 253
 
<I just made my first short-term trade: jumped into DGII right after it announced disappointing earnings and had dipped a few points, then jumped out after riding it back up over the next week. After commissions I netted only $117. I know it's not a loss, but it's not much of a gain either. My question is this: How does one compute the amount of money to invest in a short term play? And do you figure out beforehand what each fractional movement up or down means to your wallet?>

I would not be the best person to ask since I do not deal in short term plays. My investment style is much more of the long term investor who actual invests in a company in lieu of purchasing a few shares of the company.



To: Poet who wrote (50)7/25/1998 2:43:00 PM
From: Mama Bear  Respond to of 253
 
Poet, I use an amount equal to 10% of my portfolio for my short term trading. This is all margin money. I also have an amount equal to 10% of my portfolio allocated for position short selling. Depending on how obvious the play is, you may find the entire 10% involved in one short term play. A good example is a fresh Asensio short sell recommendation. I rate the probability of a stock that has an Asensio short sell recommendation heading south from the point of that rec at nearly 100% in the immediate term. So the percentage of my trading money that I will commit to a short term play depends on how I rate the % possibility that the play will go the way I predict.

As far as "dead cat bounce" plays, it often depends on the size of the gap down and the market that the issue trades on. I find trading a Nasdaq issue raises the probability considerably that there will be a substantial DCB. If the stock gaps down 50% the probability of a jump after the open is considerably higher than if the stock opens down 10%. Then one must consider the direction of the overall market. In a weaker market DCB plays are usually not that strong. I managed to take 1/2 point from DOSE yesterday. I only bought a 1/2 position because of the weakness of the overall market. True to form, the mm's opened it at what would be the low for many hours. In a stronger market, it likely would have bounced to over 7, IMO. I also took my profits (1/2 point is 9% on a buy at 5 1/2) while they were there, and probably quicker than I would have in a strong market. I have found I make much more money when I don't get greedy.

Another thing to consider is your transaction costs. You didn't tell us how much commission you're paying. Do you use a discount broker?

You also didn't tell us how much money you put into the trade. I see DGII trades at ~20 per share. If you bought 100 shares and made $117, that's ~5% for a week. If you bought 1000 shares, it's .05%, but that still annualizes to over 30% per year. I'm not going to cry over 30% returns myself, although your risk level may have been to high, considering that you held for a week.

Believe it or not, if I could consistently make $117 per transaction on a predictable level, I would be most content. Do 2 a day at $117 and you're in the top quintile of income levels.

It also may be a point that short term trading is not for you. It is not for most people. One needs to put more concentration into short term analysis than most people who have full time jobs and kids have time to do. My full time job is short term trading, and I have the full trading station, level 2 quotes, etc. Before I quit my previous job, I was not nearly as successful at my short term trades.

I hope this ramble helps a little.

Barb