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To: PROLIFE who wrote (19567)	7/25/1998 11:00:00 PM
From: Alan Markoff	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

Dan, My post was not intended to offend you and I apologize for that. However I was not refering to you with Donald for if I was I would have continued the dialogue we already had going. For a while I have seen that you and I have doctrinal differences and that is OK, you have been questioning me and I have done my best to answer your questions so the insults I think are unfair. << You are not discussing anything but rather telling everyone you are right and the rest of us be hanged.>> I have never desired anyone to be hanged and believe the love of God to be huge and His patience to be far greater than we can comprehend. THerefore I will stand on the love and integrity of God as far as Israel is concerned not because I think I am right but because of who I understand Him to be. <<If you will check back there has been much scripture posted about many things, and you are ignoring it -rather you say things like:Amilenialism has been accepted by and used by hate groups for it justifies their need to feel they replaced Israel with God. I am not saying that all who follow this doctrine are involved in a hate group but it makes them suspect for the doctrine is so weak IMO.>> That was in a discussion about the doctrinal position of spiritualising the Messianic Kingdom and that is their doctrine. In a previous post I shared more of what I understand of it, if anyoine would like to share more on the scriptural basis for it I will listen and share the views I have on the verses and hope they too will listen so we can reason our positions and attempt peace. However all I get is verses without reasoning for their connection and allot of terms like Judaising, Jewish Fables, Jewish Myths, liar etc... Did you have something to share on Amilenialism, can you enlighten us to the non hate group support of this theology. If not then how can you say I have no grounds for saying they do use it. I also pointed out that they are a very small percentage of the CHurch and the majority in the CHurch are supportive of the future of Israel and very loving. Allot of those groups I do not agree with their doctrine and I do not align them with hate groups, only those that I know use it for they have used that theology on me and my family so I have facts to back up my staements. <<That statement is real indepth Bible study huh? Again you just align everyone with hate groups rather than discuss. AND I am not just speaking of Emile.>> I was not refering to a person but a theology and did not make it a Bible study but was looking for anyone that wanted to to share some scripture so I can share what I believe the verses to mean. After all if I am accused of being a Judaiser and spreading Jewish myths and fables I would like to know why they came to that conclusion. This is not you and the post of mine that you are refering to was also not to you or about you unless you see yourself in agreement with the theology in those posts. <<All you are doing here is saying "we" who do not believe just as you do, are aligned with satan... >> I am sorry you see it that way for I was refering to the rebirth of National Israel as irritating to satan for there will occur life from the dead as in Romans 11 and I know that will irritate him. There are others that I was refering to on this thread that have said repeatedly that there will be no return of Jesus to Israel the only time the scriptures were to be fulfilled was in His first coming. I do not agree with this position and think it is very difficult to support it with scripture, the only way is to spiritualise the entire prophesy and that is not relisitic and there are to many verses that will not fit.I am asked to defend my position by accusations of heretical theology now I want them to become accountable for their positions. Also, Alan and I have been called everything you can imagine especially satanic, for not agreeing with some on this thread so I would not intentionaly hurt someone like I have been hurt. Honestly hasn't that been the major context of conversation? How satanic other people are for not agreeing with some here? Why can't we move on to some meat like the love of God in Jesus. No, if we do someone will start another bashing session to distract the Good News. I respect and love you as a brother and would like to only discuss scripture if you could give it to me with the reason behind your use of it. Nancy