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To: Emile Vidrine who wrote (23927)	7/26/1998 2:31:00 AM
From: Grainne	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 108807

Emile, as I said before, I am not questioning your wife's perceptions of what happened to her, and it is very nice to know that she got well. However, a precancerous condition and having six months to live are two totally different concepts, medically speaking, and as I said before, the ways that we heal ourselves are not totally known. Ulcerative colitis also has a strong emotional component, and simply turning this illness over to a higher power of some sort could result in the reduction of stress to the body and a feeling of peace which would result in healing. As a parallel, some alcoholics and drug addicts start recovering when they have done much the same thing. That does not mean there is a God, or that Jesus has healed them. It simply means that because of their belief systems, they have developed a frame of mind which is healing by nature. There are many things we do not yet understand about healing, but that does not in any way prove supernatural interference. Certainly, any good shaman or witch could also cite instances of spontaneous healing, and they would believe that it was magic. This is just the kind of superstition that Christians accuse pagans of, as a matter of fact, but they have exactly the same mind set. Are you saying that your opinions are superior to mine, or that you don't have the compulsion to always have them? Oh, please!!!!!!

To: Emile Vidrine who wrote (23927)	7/26/1998 8:21:00 AM
From: Sam Ferguson	Respond to of 108807

You need to understand the definition of miracle. Credit whom you will but I can personally top that miracle with my life. I had an Aortic aneurysm burst. In the resection operation it was found grown to the colon requiring blood to my lower body to be cut off too long resulting in amputation of both legs. In cutting from the colon they punctured the colon and didn't know it. It brought on kidney failure, lung failure, colonostomy, 7 operations in 10 days and laying in a coma on dialysis, a breathing machine thru a tracheotomy, for 7 weeks. My family was advised there was no hope for recovery and prepare for a funeral for when the pulled the life support I would be dead in 3 days or less. The funeral was arranged and they pulled the support. A few hours later I regained consciousness and started a slow recovery. That was 13 years ago. Doctors say I am a miracle. It's only because they do not understand cause & effect of my recovery. I don't think it was a miracle as much as a determination to get better because I preferred to live rather than the consequences. I didn't wait for God to act. I worked hard as hell exercising in therapy. Doctors are not always correct in their diagnosis. To prove to all my fear of burning eternally is zilch I have donated my body to Vanderbilt medical school for research and training doctors. After they complete their use of the body it it cremated. Although handicapped by no legs, I still drive, shop, and am pretty self reliant. I get amused at people watching me get in my car with that amazed look. Will power is the power of God in me. Call it miracle if you will but I know better.

To: Emile Vidrine who wrote (23927)	7/26/1998 4:10:00 PM
From: epicure	Respond to of 108807

How do you explain all the miraculous healings in other sects, or heaven be praised, pagan healings? For the anecdotal evidence exists for healings in all faiths and even in non-believers. People sometimes heal even when their doctors insist they should die. Is the fault with the doctor for giving a prognosis of despair where none was warranted, or should the patient be praised for marshalling their body in an intense battle with their illness? Yes and yes I imagine.