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To: Krowbar who wrote (23944)	7/26/1998 8:42:00 AM
From: Alan Markoff	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

Dear Del, The time of writing is not evidence of a testimony being false. In those days many used scribes to record their writings and writings of that level may take time, (they did not have computers or typewriters). <<I don't believe there is evidence of any of it written down as it occurred>> There are only feelings or belief on this so it is dependant on your heart. What is the advantage for a man to lie on record? <<. It seems kind of strange that nobody wrote down these important events as they happened>> Again no one knows this for all we have is the recorded date and this is not a personal account of the author. THe Catholic Church has kept many, many artifacts including pieces of the body of the Apostles and the Shrowd of Turin etc.. These items would not provide belief for a sceptic for the words of Jesus are more powerful and if they are not believed and denied to have existed then there is no help available from physical things. It comes down to faith. Hebrews 11:1-3 1 Now faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see. 3 By faith we understand that the universe was formed at Gods command, so that what is seen was not made out of what is visible. I can not see the wind but I know it is there by feeling and the evidence of changes around me. I don't force anything or say much, but I do not mind anyone saying they do not believe the Bible but to put effort in disproving it and making the testimony of men that are no longer here to be lies bothers me. By the way Jim Bowie was only in this century, I will accept the boast after you have kept it for nearly 2000 years. Have a great day, Nancy

To: Krowbar who wrote (23944)	7/26/1998 10:14:00 AM
From: Sam Ferguson	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

For the times and authors of the new testament search the web for Widomaker.com/~piso

To: Krowbar who wrote (23944)	8/1/1998 11:11:00 PM
From: Grainne	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

>>Hi Christine, I have not had much time to study the Jesus Seminar sites. I have been looking for a chronology of when the books of the Bible were written, and when they were assembled into the collection that is in use today. My Bible, for instance mentions that Mathew was written in 79 AD, at least 40 years after the Crucifiction, hardly the contemporary eyewitness accounts that Emile tries to portray. I don't believe there is evidence of any of it written down as it occurred.>> Del, are you familiar with the theory of the Q document? Many historians and theologians believe that someone compiled and collected a list of the things Jesus actually said, and that while the document has not surfaced, the writers of the Gospels did have access to it. Whether there is a Q document or not is somewhat controversial, however. I did enjoy reading this discussion of what we really know about Jesus, from the PBS Frontline special. There is a brief discussion of the gospels in it, as well. They were definitely written over a fairly long period of time after Jesus' death, as the stories about him gained momentum. Apparently there was something about Jesus the man which people did not forget--he was obviously very charismatic. So a lot of myths and legends were built up around him. However, I think it is important to remember what we do know--that he was a Jewish rabbi from the countryside, that there is nothing in the historical record about him for over a hundred years after his death, and that many conservative Christians today have perverted his teachings to include things like rejecting homosexuals, whereas Jesus never uttered one word about homosexuality. I think it is important to go back and find out what we can about the historical Jesus and his values and his teachings, so that we can separate those things out from other, less positive things that have sprung up around the mythology. pbs.org Here is the Frontline discussion of the emergence of the Gospels, which is quite informative: pbs.org