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To: O'Hara who wrote (393)	7/26/1998 7:17:00 PM
From: DLL	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 609

Shalom; I would be honored to join your study. I suggest that we go very slowly so that all will have a chance to pray, study, and to contribute. I trust you to lead and wait for lead. In Yeshua's name - DLL PS I will bookmark this thread and watch for the beginning. I would also think Jane's thread would be safe. Just let me know.

To: O'Hara who wrote (393)	7/26/1998 9:30:00 PM
From: Jane Hafker	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 609

Look forward to this Shalom. Maybe now sane Christian discussion will be possible. But about the rapture--I will just say what I've said for years and years. If it is about getting out of here because you WANT to and you BELIEVE YOU WILL GO, just don't get mad at me if you see me flying through the air shouting Hallelujah! :) Otherwise, it's such great scripture to study.

To: O'Hara who wrote (393)	7/28/1998 1:23:00 PM
From: WTCausby	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 609

Shalom: Thanks for starting this discussion again. It is quite timely as we are beginning the topic of end-time events in my Sunday school class this coming Sunday. On the topic of the rapture, I believe it is a topic of some importance. If the rapture theory is correct, then as you said it makes no difference whether or not we believe in it or whether we even know about it since we will participate in it. It is our belief in Jesus that saves us, not our belief in a rapture theory. However, and this is where it gets quite serious, if we are dogmatic in our belief that there will be a rapture and that belief is incorrect, there can be some real problems. If one believes there will be a rapture, particularly a pretribulation rapture (i.e., at the beginning of the seven year reign of the anti-christ that some believe), then even the appearance of the anti-Christ will have no meaning since under some versions of the rapture theory Christians should never see the anti-Christ. The door is wide open, then, for deception. Since the stakes are so high for those who dogmatically believe there will be a rapture, but there is no risk involved in not believing in a rapture, those who espouse the belief should present STRONG evidence to support it. Personally, I find it quite interesting that Jesus did not CLEARLY speak of a rapture nor can I find references anywhere in the Bible which CLEARLY speak of the rapture. I acknowledge, however, that there are some scriptures which could possibly be interpreted as support for a rapture theory. I also agree wholeheartedly that all Christians must periodically purge their minds of what men have said the Bible says and go back to the Word for a renewal of the message which God would give us. That is, go back to the source and use the Word to challenge and re-challenge human interpretation, particularly when that interpretation seems inconsistent with the broader context of the Word. My mother calls people's reliance on man's word over God's word for our faith "Preacher Religion." Our foundation is the Word of God not what people say God's Word says. In Christ, Tom

To: O'Hara who wrote (393)	7/28/1998 8:11:00 PM
From: John S.	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 609

Greetings Shalom, I would be pleased to join in this study especially with the guidelines you have set out. I Cor. 14:40 "Let all things be done decently and in order." Psalm 12 6 The words of the Lord are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. 7 Thou shalt keep them, O Lord, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever. Psalm 138:2 I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth: for thou hast magnified THY WORD above all thy name In praise of our Saviour and with His love John