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To: Gregory D. John who wrote (348)	7/29/1998 7:35:00 PM
From: gregor	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 638

Dear Gregory: Greek philosophers had a very negative influence on Christianity. The mythology if for no other reason was full of violence, fear, sensationalism, magic,and fatalism. Their philosophy spawned exaggerations, multiple dieties, suicide, low self esteem, and class disfunction. Paul in Romans 2:12 states " For as many as have sinned without the law shall also perish without law"' and, as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law". These early cultures were of course without the law. Paul was of course speaking of the new dispensation. As to the fate of these past generations. I'll let them worry about that. I have my own agenda and my own passion and that is the person of Christ Jesus. Whether you be of the Jewish faith ( with law ) or gentile, ( without law) or buddist or Arab or Muslim ( also without law ) if you have sinned you shall die----with or without the law. The point is that your judgement will come through, via, by way of , Jesus Christ and in Him you shall be found righteous in Him, or your judgement will come under, via, by way of the law and it doesn't make one iota of difference if you are Jew or non Jew. Now, how can you perish "without law". Ignorance of nor lack of possession of the law has never held up in any earthly courtroom and surely to God it will not hold up in heaven either. My good friend, your hope is not in being good, it is in the shed blood of the Lamb of God. Doers of the law, whether they be gentile, jew or hindu must keep all the law or to break only one law, one time, will ensure that you will be found guilty of the whole law and your punishment will be a compendium of the misery a total law breaker must eternally endure. If you insist on rejecting the grace of God then why not go out and really have a knock down , bang up good time, get drunk, party, indulge yourself in all kinds of pleasure. Be bold in your excess and don't give a hoot what anyone thinks. You would be a lot better off. In fact I'm praying and asking God right now in Jesus name that He remove the boundaries from your neat, tidy lifestyle, so you can at least have some worldly earthly pleasures while you are here on this earth. You might as well break every one of God's laws because you are surely going to pay for breaking every one of them whether you break them or not. In Christ.gregor

To: Gregory D. John who wrote (348)	7/29/1998 10:50:00 PM
From: Jane Hafker	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 638

I will say categorically that the Greek and Roman philosophers do not exist within the realm of JEsus Christ and His followers. To assume that any Christian of great and truly saint-like stature has even vaguely RUMINATED on the "greek and roman philosophers"...Seriously, my friend, and I mean my friend, that is almost funny enough for spiritual Saturday Night Live. The pagan mind cannot even breathe within the realm of the Holy Spirit. What DOES happen is enemies of Christ twist and turn the pure perfection of the Gospel to a horrible hybrid for other pagans to glom onto lest they actually find the Living God. I don't speak of these things from book knowledge, but from more intense personal experience than you would ever dream could have been possible given the time we live and the circumstances of our existance in the 20th century. So sometimes I tend to sound pompous. Its not pompous, it is just certain. There's a big difference, and one I can't take the time to document to justify. I am well aware of the messing up of the Christain kingdom with the various heresies. They thrive today, simply revised and renamed. Satan is the first recycler of all time. Nothing will ever happen to you until you go outside in the still of a quiet place and where only the last of the sinless creation can hear you, ASK JESUS TO COME INTO YOUR HEART. Tell Him He CAN take over your life, and while He's at it, please forgive your life of sin and give you complete peace and joy and happiness as a result. You HAVEN'T sinned? Well, I don't believe you're that dumb to actually believe such a self-induced lie. Until then all will be verbal josting with people who seem to believe Jesus is real in your opinion. Which is o.k. But we will probably most all of us go on to the incredible experience we are trying to bring you into, and you will be left wtih the hugher multitude who won't. The choice is yours.