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To: gregor who wrote (358)	7/30/1998 12:40:00 PM
From: Jane Hafker	Respond to of 638

Gregor, I'm trying hard to not turn this into "Chatting with and about Jane." BUT. Must make comments, of course. This is really to Gregory D. John, which I keep thinking is John D. Gregory, and find it very confusing. John, in addition to Gregor's truth of heaven, here is more insight to the absence of Heaven, how and why it works like it does. Heaven and Hell. First of all, the Bible clearly shows that an angry God does not rise up off the throne like Zeus in Roman mythology and with a twisted angry face hurl a sinner violently down a dark abyss where no one wants to go. Actually angels usher that person(s) to the edge and over they go with angel help. I visualize stone faced angels who might actually feel enormous relief. Boy, how the angels must wait to do a lot of ushering to the brink of the dark abyss. I share their sense of relief that "it is over" just reading the scriptures. What the poor angels can see I don't care to even begin to think about. I believe many unsaved totally overlook the most obvious reality openly stated in the Bible: God doesn't toss you into hell in an angry fit, but you must go to the winner of the struggle for your soul. Life is nothing more than a gamble for our souls. God on one side, satan on the other. You go for satan, unfortunately, it is a long, long relationship. And unfortunately, the despised little god of this world is where every single idea of cruielty and horror among humans, and their enjoyment of it, comes from. So, he wins and you are his prize. No rules in hell. No God to intervene. Yet no matter HOW obvious it is, how MANY CLASSIC WRITTEN WORKS ADDRESS THIS EXACT PROBLEM, still the sinner mocks God and the Judgement of God. Very, very scary. God does not enjoy being mocked, to begin with. It's not a good human habit to have. Let's take the problem of hell out of God's hands. He only tries for our whole life to keep us out. Hell is the estate of satan. His house. Where he gets to do his thing he really like forever and ever, and without the horror of being there all alone. Now he gets human crations to share Friday the Thirteenth fantasies with forever. REmember, satan wrote the script. And after he produces movies, still the fools mock and laugh and eat their popcorn. It is paralyzing from the standpoint of spiritual discernment. Humans look more like creatures in a horror movie sometimes than the actors in the horror movies. I don't know if it's possible to put that thought in clear understandable terms, but think about it a little and perhaps you will glimpse a very frightening reality of end time human creations. Read Faust. Goerthe could not have understood it more perfectly. Also, the saint-like Dante, who lived in the days of Francis, and for all I know, may have actually discussed these things with the known saints of the day which rather covered the hillsides of Italy and especially France for 200 years. My point: It is not God that throws you in hell. The angels have to push you over, however, becuase you have been won as a prize, and it is too late for God to stop it. Satan cannot walk within the area, obviously, or it would be his demons carrying people off much like the movie "Ghost", which I did feel was definitely quite the way it all happens, at least to go to the resting place. I jcan talk about volcanos all day long and hell all day long. Both are horribly interesting, both are quite quite real. NO ONE WANTS TO GO THERE. DON'T END UP GOING THERE JOHN. YOU ARE NOT GOING TO LIKE IT. So, now you have officially been warned, directly, by a known associate of God in Heaven. I just say that so youcan't pull the rich man thing, where he whined, "no-one ever TOLLLLD me..." Read up on Lazarus. I have to go to work, which I love.

To: gregor who wrote (358)	7/30/1998 11:13:00 PM
From: Gregory D. John	Respond to of 638

Gregor, Hmmm... By first principles, I assume you are talking about the axioms on which a model is built. I'm probably using the word "model" incorrectly, but let's just go with it. Geometry is a fine example of this. Euclidean geometry is just a model which satisfies 5 axioms (if I'm remembering correctly). One of the axioms is that parallel lines never intersect. If you take away this axiom, there are other geometries that satisfy the remaining 4; e.g., Hyperbolic geometry. A subtle point is: given a bunch of axioms you can build up a model; but there may be several models which satisfy these axioms. Hmmm... this paragraph is pretty slushy... eh... see what you can get out of it. Much of science begins with modelling. We have data from observations and we theorize a model that fits or explains this data. Aristotle's models fit Aristotle's data (or so let's assume). As people acquired more data and found Aristotle's model to be insufficient an explanation, a new model was theorized. I think a neat example of this sort of scientific progression is the principle of The Conservation of Energy. You believe in this principle, right? This principle is applicable for many, many physics problems. This principle, however, is wrong! Does this shock you? - as many a times you have asked me. Just ask Einstein. :-) By the way, according to modern theories (General Relativity and the tools of Differential Geometry), light travels along geodesics. White light is light that has a uniform distribution over the (visible) frequency. How we observe light is a complex subject which I would be happy to talk about, although, I know very little about it. You wrote: "You have some very basic assumptions in your own personal philosophy that are dead wrong. I do not know what they are but this is the only thing that can explain your separation from Jesus Christ." By your logic this seems pretty clear, but if you can't point out such a faulty basic assumption, it, unfortunately, doesn't do me much good. I have heard that God is love and infinitely more according to The Urantia Book. Greg