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To: Box-By-The-Riviera™ who wrote (2822)	8/1/1998 9:54:00 AM
From: flipflop	Respond to of 5232

Thats the kind of stuff you get from Rich. CA likes to talk fast, and give you a bunch of hoop a laaa. Their in trouble and this stock is heading lower. Unicenter TNG isn't bundled into their products products such as Opal are bundled into a Unicenter TNG License. Unhappy customers, market saturation, a sales force whoes resumes are hitting the street spells trouble in my book.

To: Box-By-The-Riviera™ who wrote (2822)	8/1/1998 1:59:00 PM
From: Gall	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 5232

Joel, It shows how ignorant you are about CA internals. It was/is favorite Wang's slogan. "We are just one big family.." Also, I don't remember exactly the phrase, but he likes to compare employee with small happy pigs. Maybe somebody from CA could post some his low-level aphorisms, just to keep your spirit up. Joel, you would better feel dirty to be used by CA's executives and invest in sweatshop. <<I feel so dirty....being used by a twin....>> If you feel dirty after CA stock dropped almost 50%, then you probably have to use a lot of papers and take a shower, but not complain about twins. They have nothing done with yours investments. Just information about Unicenter: I know many cases than customer showed the door to CA's sales person, because of previous experience with CA products or because of sales person behavior (they are trying to jump over heads). If Tivoli and CA are biding for the same client then in 95% Tivoli wins. Sometime CA doesn't send people to client if they new Tioli was there. They have to improve consulting service and sales force behavior.They just can not screw clients any more in the same way they have done in mainframe era.Sometime clients are willing to pay substantially more for competitor products even Unicenter fits the needs, just because they don't want to have anything associates with CA. CA will have a challenge to overcome such psychological barrier. Just a Gall, not a twin.