How to identify winning midcap stocks, with fund manager Arden Armstrong [LU/ASND reference -- see middle]
pathfinder.com July 29, 1998
Moneyhost: Our guest tonight is Arden Armstrong, of the MAS fund group.
Moneyhost: Ms. Armstrong manages the MAS Mid-Cap Growth and Small-Cap Growth funds so as you can guess we're talking about mid- and small-cap stocks. Please send your questions for Ms. Armstrong into the queue and we will forward them. Arden, could you start by telling us about your background in the investment business?
Arden Armstrong: I started about 12 years ago covering tech and telecommunication stocks for four years here at MAS and we started the mid cap growth fund in 1990 and I've been doing that ever since Before that I was at grad school and before that I was an economist
Moneyhost: What is the investment philosophy behind the Midcap fund?
Arden Armstrong: Our philosophy is the same for mid and small cap growht we look for companies with rapid growth, stability, rising profititbabilty, rising earnings estimates Sometimes we own some aggressive growth stocks and stable growth companies
Dunerl asks: Why should I care about small/mid cap stocks?
Arden Armstrong: Well, small cap stocks haven't as well as large cap stocks over the last years but over the long run they have provided a higher return You should always have some part of your portfolio in small caps because they tend to have periods of sharp outperformance You just don't know when that will happen And also, they provide good diversification You never want to be in only just one type of stock, like large cap, sometimes they underperform
Moneyhost: You've also recently launched the MAS Small-Cap Growth Fund. What is your goal with that fund?
Arden Armstrong: Our goal is to outperform the russell 200 0 We're going to own companies with an avg. market cap of 1 billion And we going to try to leverage the same process that we used in the mid cap portfolio which has worked over the last eight years
Tradesalot asks: Small caps here in the states are being hammered......do you see an end to this any time soon????
Arden Armstrong: I tend to look at the Nasdaq composite index and while that's had a correction, the correction will probably last a few more weeks
Nighthawk888 asks: What sectors do you think small or mid-cap stocks may take off in the next 6 months to a year?
Arden Armstrong: Our largest committment is in the consumer and biz services areas We like services because they are not as exposec to foreign currency and foreign competition They are not related to the Asian crisis We're still holding a lot of tech stocks. We like the software companies
Tradesalot asks: There are a few small cap telecommunication stocks i know of....ATC, ETCIA, .....do you have any personal picks in this field???
Arden Armstrong: In telecommunications, we own Qwest Globalstar Celluar Communications International In the media area, we like Liberty Media and in tele comm equipment we like General Instrument
Moneyhost: You mentioned that you followed a specific process for picking stocks for your funds. Could you describe that process for us?
Arden Armstrong: We have a quantitative screen that looks for estimate revisions and then we also try to asses the companies growth characteristics with fundamental research Then we look at valuation And we asses a company's valuation relative to it's growth rate, stability, and profitablity and the goal of valuation is to exclude 20% of the stocks because they are too expensive And then, we have an overall risk control limits, individuals positions and sectors and we follow a strict selling discipline
DejaOne asks: do you like Inteenet stocks?
Arden Armstrong: We don't own a lot of them We try to exclude the most expensive stocks from consideration We do have a couple of things, like AOL, and @Home
Arden Armstrong: Internet stocks in general seem too expensive
BRItheGUY1 asks: Miss Armstrong how do you see AOL inthe near term?Stock has dropped 25Rnlast week as if it were a search engine without profits yet.
Arden Armstrong: It had a big run and we stocks correct they will typically go to a 50 day moving avg. where aol is now When they have bigger corrections they will go down
Arden Armstrong: to they're 200 day moving avg. which for AOL is about 75 dollars If you have confidence in a company you shouldn';t let corrections scare you, you should be buying into corrections. Just be patient
BRItheGUY1 asks: Is AOL an internet stock ? Or a utility?
Arden Armstrong: Good question i don't think of AOL as a pure Internet stock, I'm not it's a utility either We call our cell phone companies utilities Aol isn't any less a utiltiy than cell phones We call it a computer service company
Moneyhost: We are chatting about mid- and small-cap stocks with Arden Armstrong off the MAS fund group. Please send in your questions and we'll forward them.
Tradesalot asks: Where do you draw the line between small cap and micro cap stocks?? As in terms of market capitalization
Arden Armstrong: Our min. market cap for small cap is 250 million dollars and we also have a liquidity limit We have to have stocks that are liquid enough for insti. investors
Swiss_Buffett asks: Arden, do you have a single thing that you absolutely want to see in a stock you consider for purchase?
Arden Armstrong: Two things The earnings estimates can't be going down and they profit margins can't be going down Those are the absolute must haves
Pupupashu asks: what is the longterm outlook for Cendant Corporation?
Arden Armstrong: We used to own HFS It's too big for us now but, when we see a hint of financial fraud
Arden Armstrong: we always sell a stock. Because you have no way of knowing what a company's true financial position is. If it wasn't too big to own, I would have sold it So, I don't know what they're outlook is
Gstott2 asks: What do you think about Ascend? Do you think Lucent will buy Ascend?
Arden Armstrong: They might It would be a decent fit Ascend is a company that's had its ups and downs. It dosen't meet stability criteria [Hey, that's funny...]
Boots123 asks: Speaking of correctoins, it looks like we have seen one in Aspen Tech recently. Any thoughts on botton fishing for this stock?
Arden Armstrong: We've look at that stock a number of time but never owned it I don't know enough about it to say
Skipper_h asks: Do you see small caps rerurning to favor?
Arden Armstrong: We think the small cap growth stocks are attractive. But you have to be selective about companies where you're comfortbable about the earnings outlook It's because the economy is slowing More cyclical companies could show earnings deterioration We're focused on stable growth stocks
Moneyhost: We are chatting with Arden Armstrong of the MAS fund group. Great quetions so far--please keep them coming!
DeeLeo7 asks: Is there any ethical guidelines for the companies you invest in?
Arden Armstrong: No But we try to own good companies that are well managed and that often means ethical as well
Skipper_h asks: Do you see any hope for the oil service sector?
Arden Armstrong: It sure looks grim right now. We own very few of these stocks and only for diversisfication purposes. The long term out look is negative, because technology has made it cheaper to find and produce oil So that make the price go down Also, the economy is slowing Which reduces demand
BRItheGUY1 asks: How about Financials? I have watched First Chicago drop hard based on Bank One's poor quality of profits,even though it beat the street.
Arden Armstrong: A lot of stocks have had good earnings
Arden Armstrong: that had good earnigs reports correctted in the last few weeks The financials we own
Arden Armstrong: are Fiserv, Finova, and Probidian
MerryMagdalene asks: This downturn of the market - is it a big danger sign? or just a normal adjustment to be expected?
Arden Armstrong: It looks like a normal correction to me I would expect the indexes to go back to their 200 day moving avgs. But, you have to monitor Wash. scandals, and Asian crisis Right now, I think that's background noise, but it could get wore worse
DeeLeo7 asks: Is profit/employee a stat thats important for the service sector stocks?
Arden Armstrong: We look a lot of measures of profitiablity including profit per employee We think the most important measure of profititablity is return on equity
Dotcom_2 asks: Any info on where Boston Market might be headed. Bankruptcy?
Arden Armstrong: That is a value stock, maybe and we are growth investors so we don't focus on it It has falling earings estimates and falling margins
DeeLeo7 asks: What is the main foreign component to your Funds?
Arden Armstrong: We own some ADR's and we own some foreign companies that trade on NASDAQ We have several foreign telecommunications Celluar Telecommunication International Celluar Communications International and Orange
Brynna2 asks: Do you buy any Canadian small caps?
Arden Armstrong: Yes We own Imax, and Cinar
Arden Armstrong: Those are both entertainment companies
Swiss_Buffett asks: Do you care more for recent profit margins or for like 5yr avg numbers?
Arden Armstrong: We look at the recent numbers and how they've been trending over the last 1-2 years We like to see small but steady improvements
BRItheGUY1 asks: Do you see year 2000 co.s as a good play at this time?
Arden Armstrong: We own some computer services companies They should do a lot of biz between now and 2000 We think there will be a backlog of software projects even after y2k We don't own a y2k tools company
Billwind asks: small and mid caps have lagged larger company stocks when and why will this turn around
Arden Armstrong: Small company stocks usually do well early in the economic cycle. When the economy is slowing, if you want to own small cap, you should focus on growth stocks If the economy speeds up small cap will do better and the value stocks will probably outperform
Brynna2 asks: What is your outlook for resource stocks?
Arden Armstrong: We don't own any of them now They're typically affected by currency swings and there is a lot of foreign competition We think the Asian crisis is particularly negative for this group
Moneyhost: Our chat with Arden Armstrong wraps up around 5:50p ET--last call for questions.
Veincage asks: how do you see the furture growth rate for INTRAnets and video conferencing?
Arden Armstrong: Those are both explosive growth areas but, we don't of any companies that are particularly well positioned that meet our investment criteria In the long run, networks can be used for video conferencing We own Comcast and Cablevision
RalphNYC asks: Why is there such a premium being paid for liquidity?
Arden Armstrong: Liquidity is worth a premium But we think the premium is too high That's why you have a good investment opp. in small caps
Brynna2 asks: how well has your fund done year to date?
Arden Armstrong: Hold own while I look it up We're up 22.2% midcap
Arden Armstrong: Smallcap started July 1 and we are down a little, but we are about 5% ahead of the Russel 2000 small cap
Freeflanders asks: Is speech technology the future of computer business and can you recommend some stocks in that area ?
Arden Armstrong: Speech recognition will happen but not for quite a while and we are not currently playing that sector Msft is targetting speech tech. so a small cap company would have to compete with them
Moneyhost: Thanks for chatting with us tonight, Arden. We'll have a transcript of tonight's chat at the Money.com site in a few days. Arden, how can the audience get more info on your funds and the other MAS funds?
Arden Armstrong: Our funds are distributed by discount brokers Charles Schwab and Fidelity and Jack White
Moneyhost: Thanks very much--good night!
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